Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:46:55 -0500 "Gregory A. Hession J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dear Judy:   I just arrived here, so I should be very circumspect.  However, to answer your first question below, many of the posts I have read appear to come from angry people, or people who

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:46:07 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Let me restate the question with the proper inflection Could it be that Messiah's death is the sacrifice delivered once for all of Israel... a communal sacrifice like the Yom Kippur service? 

Re: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?

2005-01-15 Thread Gregory A. Hession J.D.
      May I suggest that we don't have to say the same thing in all details to have unity.   We are united in the fundamentals.  What we often disagree about is doctrine, rather than the weightier matters of the law and life.  We don't need to have conflict over them.  The great theologians

Re: [TruthTalk] Taboo?!??

2005-01-15 Thread Jeff Powers
Just what exactly is butt dust? Jeff - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 16:02 Subject: [TruthTalk] Taboo?!?? A visiting minister waxed eloquent during the offertory prayer. "DearLord,"

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
No Slade, that's fine. IMO this is tame compared to some of the stuff coming from Gary's computer which has been ongoing for months now. That the KJV is written on a 10th grade level is true and this I don't mind being equated with.  But I'm curious as to why I am singled out over this - Did

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Are you part of Israel? If so, how? If not, why?   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 17.55To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Tru

RE: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Greg   Now you've got my curiosity up. Are you an Infralapsarian or an Supralapsarian?   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Gregory A. Hession J.D.Sent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 17.58To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.o

RE: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?

2005-01-15 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Or a prelactarian, like me? Milk in the mug before the tea. (Sorry! :-) )   You're right, Greg: unity is, happily, not uniformity.   I like your mastery of words.   Debbie -Original Message-From: Slade Henson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:06 PM

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Why do I single you out? I will be honest. Your posts are the catalyst that create antagonism and division. Others react against the way you come across. I'm fully expecting to get ripped on this one by David Miller and Izzy and you, but that's my opinion... that's why I used exact terms and

RE: [TruthTalk] Taboo?!??

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Flatulence?   -- slade -Original Message-From: Jeff PowersSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 18.00Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Taboo?!?? Just what exactly is butt dust? Jeff - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
e.g., crucial to countrg the power of Catholicism in 15th c. Europe, Calvin, in his preface to the Institutes, chose to address the earthly king of France as powerful himself relative to (perhaps acceptnc/rejection of) God's will, not (as) unwise in any sense..to intimidate him would've indi

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
as obsrvd and as confrmd in the TT archivs, below, in your words, the  KJV is your hermeneutic;howevr, your theory of it is what your exclusive methods of interpretation allow--sometihn like the fury and fusion of cult swagger swill and imperialism   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:07:45 -0500 Judy

RE: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
He did a mis-spelling of the Yiddish word I posted.   K. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 16.10To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Foul Language How od

Re: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?

2005-01-15 Thread Gregory A. Hession J.D.
    Actually, I often have a cat in my lap.  But, seriously, I am neither a supra or an infra.  I'm just ignunt.  I think the lapsarian controversy is just another one of those attempts to apply Western logic and Platonism to a spiritual mystery.  We want to reduce everything to an explainab

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
  Slade I'm not interested in anything you have to say until you deal with Gary - To me this is more like a lynching than the wisdom of God working through a godly brother... Note: The only thing different that happened to me in May/June 2004 was  my 4yr old grandaughter being diagnosed with

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
 Slade, as list moderator I await your action - my lips are sealed but this needs to stop.   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:39:25 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: as obsrvd and as confrmd in the TT archivs, below, in your words, the  KJV is your hermeneutic;howevr, your theory of it is wh

Re: [TruthTalk] Taboo?!??

2005-01-15 Thread Jeff Powers
Mr. Moderator, Can we say "flatulence" or maybe "fart in the wind"? Or must we say,"Warm rushing emitance into the wind"? Jeff   Life makes warriors of us all.To emerge the victors, we must armourselves with the most potent of weapons.That weapon is prayer.--Rebbe Nachman of Breslov -

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
I hope you have a nice day.   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 18.56To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a

RE: [TruthTalk] Taboo?!??

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
You're asking the wrong guy. David Miller would have the more correct answer.   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jeff PowersSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 19.04To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTa

RE: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Rabbi Akiva said it best when asked by a Greek about the dichotomy between Predestination and Free Will. R. Akiva said, "All is foreknown but freewill is given." That's the best answer I've heard yet.   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTEC

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
I hereby refer to David Miller.   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 19.01To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a

RE: [TruthTalk] Moderator Report

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Just think, Gary... if this trend of postings continues, we'll have 9,648 posts by the end of the quarter!   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Gary D OttosonSent: Thursday, 13 January, 2005 21.22To: TruthTalk@mail.i

[TruthTalk] Two Moderators Now

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
Dear TruthTalk Members, I talked with Slade on the phone tonight and we agreed to make some changes. Please consider carefully the following changes we are implementing for the list right now: 1. I will be added as a moderator, so TruthTalk has two moderators now: Slade Henson and David Mille

Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator Report

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
i'm smilin', too, Slade, but'll need anothr 100G drv soon:)   ..re: moderation :) don't run off on us evn while myopic opponents try weathrg a theological tsunami with their umbrellas and squirt guns--there will be no ad hominems from this desk, else i'll admit them and repent; howevr, i do

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Moderators Now

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Personally, I think having to have a babysitter for a group of adults is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard ofespecially amongst those who would call themselves brethren... Kay...in protest -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Why Prophets?

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, how many prophets have there been, Joseph Smith to today, DAVEH: I don't know. and how many of them, other than Joseph Smith, have received revelation directly from the LDS god? DAVEH: AgainI don't know. Those would be found in the D&C, right? DAVEH: Some

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy Taylor wrote: I believe Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels fell before the foundation of the world and they now live in the 2nd heaven (or this worlds upper atmosphere).  God allowed them to access His garden in order to test A&E. ===

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Wow;; that was really brutal.  Poor Judy.  She’s really gone postal, huh? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 4:48 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?  

RE: [TruthTalk] Taboo?!??

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Jeff, do you shave in the morning? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Powers Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 5:00 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Taboo?!??   Just what exactly is butt dust? Jeff

RE: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Don’t say I didn’t warn you, Greg. J   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 5:06 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?   Greg   Now you've got my curio

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Moderators Now

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
Kay wrote: > Personally, I think having to have a babysitter for > a group of adults is one of the most ridiculous things > I've heard ofespecially amongst those who > would call themselves brethren... It not a babysitter. It is government. God has ordained government for the church as well

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Slade Henson wrote: If haSatan was fallen, not everything would be very good.   Now, if G-d created the angels before the creation, where do you get such an idea? = Whenever God created Satan, He created him as a beautiful creature,

RE: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oh, Greg, you have NO idea how important such trivia is on TT!!! Izzy  (Are you starting a new thread on infralasarianism?)   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gregory A. Hession J.D. Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 4:58 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory

Re: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Gregory A. Hession J.D. wrote:       May I suggest that we don't have to say the same thing in all details to have unity.   We are united in the fundamentals.  What we often disagree about is doctrine, rather than the weightier matters of the law and life.  We don't need to have c

RE: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Which you said was “bullshit”.  Right?   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 5:45 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Foul Language   He did a mis-spelling of the Yiddish word I

RE: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oh, how very British of you, Debbie! Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 5:37 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?   Or a prelactarian, like me? Milk in th

Re: [TruthTalk] Taboo?!??

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Jeff Powers wrote: Just what exactly is butt dust? Jeff == It's that stuff you see at a rodeo right after a bull rider has hit the dirt.  Watch as he picks himself up and dusts his hind parts Terry

RE: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Exactly.  It’s really just that simple. Great truths are simple. (like me!) Izzy    “Oh it’s a joy to be simple, a joy to be free…”  (Shaker folk song)   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:13 PM To: Tru

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: >> I believe Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels fell before >> the foundation of the world and they now live in >> the 2nd heaven (or this worlds upper atmosphere). Terry wrote: > When did they leave town, Judy? I don't think she meant that they left town. Paul speaks about the evil spir

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Exactly my point. When HaSatan was created he was very good. Did he turn bad before the creation or afterward? What evidence is there to prove otherwise? -Original Message-From: Terry CliftonSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 21.06Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian t

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Slade, satan fell long before the earth was created.  (Remember the s-n-a-k-e???)  It doesn’t change the fact that God’s creating the earth was “good”.  Is that complicated? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Saturday, January

Re: [TruthTalk] Taboo?!??

2005-01-15 Thread Jeff Powers
Whats a razor? Jeff   Life makes warriors of us all.To emerge the victors, we must armourselves with the most potent of weapons.That weapon is prayer.--Rebbe Nachman of Breslov - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, Ja

Re: [TruthTalk] Taboo?!??

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Jeff Powers wrote: Mr. Moderator, Can we say "flatulence" or maybe "fart in the wind"? Or must we say,"Warm rushing emitance into the wind"? Jeff   === Assuming that the moderator said those terms were fine, why would you want to use t

Re: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?

2005-01-15 Thread Gregory A. Hession J.D.
    Yes, I am from the land of Senator Teddy.  Let's go have chowduh.   Gregory A. Hession J.D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]Springfield, Mass. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Tru

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
David Miller wrote: Judy wrote: I believe Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels fell before the foundation of the world and they now live in the 2nd heaven (or this worlds upper atmosphere). Terry wrote: When did they leave town, Judy? I don't

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Slade Henson wrote: Exactly my point. When HaSatan was created he was very good. Did he turn bad before the creation or afterward? What evidence is there to prove otherwise? The only evidence available suggests that it was prior t

Re: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 4:15:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   Actually, I often have a cat in my lap.  But, seriously, I am neither a supra or an infra.  I'm just ignunt.  I think the lapsarian controversy is just another one of those attempts to apply Western logic an

Re: [TruthTalk] What is Unity?

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 4:15:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   Actually, I often have a cat in my lap.  But, seriously, I am neither a supra or an infra.  I'm just ignunt.  I think the lapsarian controversy is just another one of those attempts to apply Western logic an

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:58:04 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy Taylor wrote: I believe Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels fell before the foundation of the world and they now live in the 2nd heaven (or this worlds

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 3:37:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:     Why do I single you out? I will be honest. Your posts are the catalyst that crea

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
ad hominem  --  --   a correction.   I meant to scroll down but I sent instead.  Jd

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Instead of stirring the pot some more - how about lets start over with the two Moderators, desist from personal judgments and attacks and see how it goes.  If we were listening to God we wouldn't need moderation but unfortunately that's just not the case.  jht   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:22:02 ES

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 1:43:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been noticing that you often seem to equate "effort" and "obedience" with "works of law."  I do not see these as the same thing.  In other words, obedience to the law is not the same thing as obedien

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 1:43:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John wrote: >The fact is, Abraham could do nothing about the >promise apart from God's intervention.   All that >was left for him was simply to believe.   THAT >is the bibilical context for the statement. Goo

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 1:01:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ShieldsFamily wrote:   David, I must SO agree with JD and you regarding the âwooing of the Holy Spiritâ.  I remember being about twelve years old and having such a hunger to know God. I self-consciously conf

Re: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:44:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: Possibly because you appear to be focused in/on tradition right now and I study God's Word (just a guess on my part) Possibly an insult. (just a guess on my part). 

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hmmm, he spends a lot of time talking about "writing" per se, does he not? Why does he do that? So he can lead into telling us that the Lord will eventually bring these two kingdoms together? While this is true as far as it goes, the prophet's purpose in discussing the writings seems to be t

Re: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
This is NOT, read NOT intended as an insult JD Tradition and God's Word do not mix and they do not blend they are like oil and water. I am aware that this is not a politically correct thing to say but no insult is intended.  jht     On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:42:30 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk Conference hosted by Dave Hansen?

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  Don't for a minute consider not coming, Kay.  As I see it, there are two options for you.      1)  Tell the critters that IF they will be good in the car, you will drive them to the beach.  Leave early in the morning and hopefully they will be asleep when you turn the wrong way to get

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ha! Signs and all, I can see it happening . . . the last time I talked to any of those guys was during the Autumn Conference, 2003 (?). Someone pointed out Kevin as being that "big fellow." I caught a glimpse of him, red hair and all, as he was folding up his sign, but I was driving around

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
 Your posts are the catalyst that create antagonism and division. DAVEH:   Hey Slade..Don't blame others..according to Izzy, that's my job!   :-) -- slade    The ad honimen rule is one who no that has been invoked before. DAVEH:  Hey John...

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Moderators Now

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
David Miller wrote: So effective immediately, both Slade and I will rigorously enforce the no ad hominem argument rule. This means no personal attacks against TruthTalk members is allowed. DAVEH:   May I assume that doesn't apply to those responding to my posts     :-) 5.

Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator Report

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: e.g., DaveH, the still resident Mormon simply avoids me wisely DAVEH:   ???   Really G?  Hm..I didn't realize I wasn't responding to questions you didn't ask.    BTW...Thanx for attributing wisely to meThat's probably one of the most undeserv

Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator Report

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   Du.Of course that's what will happen IF you and DavidM start reprimanding us!   Slade Henson wrote:  if this trend of postings continues, we'll have 9,648 posts by the end of the quarter!   -- slade -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://w

Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator Report

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
lol (what's 9648x2x666?)   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:48:49 -0800 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DAVEH:   Du.Of course that's what will happen IF you and DavidM start reprimanding us!   Slade Henson wrote:  if this trend of postings continues, we'll have 9

Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
Charles Perry Locke wrote: Okay, the LDS interpret the Godhead as 3 separate gods...sorry to mislead you! DAVEH:  Therein is the problem, Perry.  You aren't misleading me.you are misleading others who believe your sources are accurate. DAVEH:   ???  Where did you get that, Perry!

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