[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-05-07 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package ubuntu-release-upgrader - 1:25.04.15

---
ubuntu-release-upgrader (1:25.04.15) plucky; urgency=medium

  [ Nick Rosbrook ]
  * DistUpgradeController: exclude pre-write foreign packages from removal
(LP: #2107657)
  * data: account for ubuntustudio-desktop-core (LP: #2104859)
  * Run pre-build.sh: updating mirrors.

  [ Julian Andres Klode ]
  * Only upgrade libc6 first if there are no unexpected changes (LP: #2106202)

 -- Nick Rosbrook   Thu, 24 Apr 2025 11:20:23 -0400

** Changed in: ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Plucky)
   Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-05-02 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package ubuntu-release-upgrader - 1:25.10.1

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ubuntu-release-upgrader (1:25.10.1) questing; urgency=medium

  * Update for Questing:
- DistUpgrade.cfg: update for questing
- DistUpgrade: update release announcements for questing
- README.devel: document how to update for new series
- DistUpgrade: bump version
  * DistUpgradeController: exclude pre-write foreign packages from removal
(LP: #2107657)
  * data: account for ubuntustudio-desktop-core (LP: #2104859)
  * DistUpgradeController: remove 'upgrade libc6 first' quirk (LP: #2106202)

 -- Nick Rosbrook   Mon, 28 Apr 2025 16:15:35 -0400

** Changed in: ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Fix Released

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-29 Thread Gordon Lack
OK, but I thought this could be the same - a failure to work out
correctly what needs to be deleted.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-29 Thread Rik Mills
@gordon-lack Thanks, but this bug is for tracking and fixing the issue
that is removing the kubuntu desktop packages and metapackages. Please
open a separate bug for other issues with the upgrade.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-29 Thread Gordon Lack
dist-upgrade logs, and list of originally-installed packages for the
upgrade with a slow search for obsolete software, and scribus removal.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-29 Thread Gordon Lack
dist-upgrade logs, and list of originally-installed packages for the
upgrade with a normal (quick) search for obsolete software, where
scribus was retained.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-29 Thread Gordon Lack
Install log from installing scribus after the Plucky upgrade had removed
it.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-29 Thread Gordon Lack
Two more systems done. Neither had any :i386 packages installed.
Things still don't seem to be completely OK.

They had essentially the same packages installed before the upgrade.

One of them decided to remove scribus, and took 20mins to run the "Searching 
for obsolete software" part.
The other did not remove scribus, and took <2mins to run the "Searching for 
obsolete software" part.
(The dist-upgrade log for *bnoth* systems did actually contain:
  MarkDelete scribus:amd64 < 1.6.3+dfsg-0.2build1 @ii K Ib > FU=0
)

When I did install scribus again the issue seemed to be related to this:

The following packages will be REMOVED
  libqt5gui5-gles libqt5quick5-gles libqt5quickparticles5-gles
The following NEW packages will be installed
  libqt5gui5t64 libqt5opengl5t64 libqt5quick5 scribus
0 to upgrade, 4 to newly install, 3 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.

I'll attach the full scribus install log, and the dist-upgrade logs from
both systems next.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-27 Thread Rik Mills
Ran slightly expanded test cases. Kubuntu 24.10 with wine AND steam
.debs installed together. Upgrades were successful, kubuntu-desktop and
plasma packages remained.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-27 Thread Rik Mills
** Tags removed: verification-needed verification-needed-plucky
** Tags added: verification-done verification-done-plucky

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-26 Thread Jason Winnebeck
I just upgraded my daily driver using the test plan above and it worked
for me. I am using Steam and have i386 libraries installed so I had
fortunately seen the news on this before trying to upgrade earlier. It
seems to have worked for me.

Some notes on my system:
* I was using kernel 6.14.2-061402-generic as installed via the tool 'mainline' 
from ppa:cappelikan/ppa
* My system is dual boot Windows 11 -- no issues with grub
* Upgrade finished in less than 15 minutes

Issues Encountered:
* Not really an issue but I have rclone installed by deb from rclone.org so I 
got the "unofficial packages" notice on it
* I got an error about a file I never modified: "Configuration file 
'/etc/GNUstep/gdomap_probes' ==> File on system created by you or by a 
script.". I never modified that file, and after examining it I decided to 
choose to install package maintainer's version instead of default to keep the 
file.
* I don't know if this is normal in upgrades, but my apt source for kopia 
disappeared and I had to delete sources list file for the cappelikan/ppa and 
run `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:cappelikan/ppa` and follow directions again 
from 
https://kopia.io/docs/installation/#linux-installation-using-apt-debian-ubuntu

I have included what debs and snaps I had on my system before and after
the install. I also have a capture of the upgrade script (via tee) which
I can provide if requested since it's large.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-26 Thread Gordon Lack
OK.
Just upgraded another laptop (steam and wine on it), using the downloaded 
script and that is OK.

Sorry about my confusion for the previous upgrade

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-26 Thread Gordon Lack
Ah, unfortunately I read #18.

> Please help us by testing this new package. See 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for
> documentation on how to enable and use -proposed. Your feedback will aid us 
> getting this update
> out to other Ubuntu users.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-26 Thread Rik Mills
> I did.
> I enabled "pre-released updates" in the Software Sources "Update" tab.

The test plan in #1 says:

Note that due to the fact that plucky is now released, but upgrades are
disabled, we cannot use the --proposed flag to test upgrades
conveniently. Instead, we need to manually download the tarball from
https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-proposed, unpack it, and run
the script.

$ wget 
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/plucky-proposed/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/plucky.tar.gz
$ tar xf plucky.tar.gz
$ sudo -E ./plucky --frontend DistUpgradeViewText

During the upgrade, when prompted about package removals, enter 'd' for
details. Confirm that are there no unexpected package removals such as
the desktop metapackage or steam.

The upgrade should complete without errors, and the VM should reboot
into plucky after the upgrade. Confirm that steam and libc6:i386 are
still installed.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-26 Thread Gordon Lack
>>> Please read and adhere to the test plan in #1.

I thought I did.
I enabled "pre-released updates" in the Software Sources "Update" tab, which is 
the only tab to have that option.
There is no "Developer Options " tab.

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Re: [Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-26 Thread Rik Mills
On 26/04/2025 15:13, Gordon Lack wrote:
> BAD NEWS here.
> 
> I've just upgraded my desktop, enabling pre-released updates first, and
> once again kubuntu-dektop was removed (along with ~350 other packages).

Please read and adhere to the test plan in #1. Enabling oracular pre-release 
upgrades (proposed) is not required
or part of that plan. The logs supplied confirm that your upgrade was done with 
the old upgrader version 25.04.14  where the bugs are not fixed.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-26 Thread Gordon Lack
Here are the apt.log and main.log from /var/log/dist-
upgrade/20250426-1434 after the upgrade.

Just seen this in the main.log:

2025-04-26 14:32:47,878 DEBUG upgrade to development release, disabling
proposed

Similar line there 7 times.

Could that explain things?
If so, how can I run an update to a development release with proposed enabled?

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-26 Thread Gordon Lack
There is the list of packages I had available, installed, marked
manual/auto and snaps before the upgrade was started.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-26 Thread Gordon Lack
BAD NEWS here.

I've just upgraded my desktop, enabling pre-released updates first, and
once again kubuntu-dektop was removed (along with ~350 other packages).

So the same as I saw on my laptop in Bug 2107724.

At the start of the upgrade this message was posted (as it was for the
laptop, but I saved it this time):

=
Checking package manager
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done 
Reading state information... Done

Foreign Packages Installed

The following unofficial packages are currently installed:

go-mtpfs.Installed from: unknown origin 
gocryptfsInstalled from: unknown origin 


It is recommended to install supported versions from the Ubuntu 
archive, and try the upgrade again. 

Do you want to continue the upgrade anyways?

Continue [yN] 
=

This is odd as both packages were installed from Ubuntu sources using apt.
Also, this message was NOT seen on the system I upgraded in #24, despite that 
also having both packages installed.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-25 Thread Darin Miller
Same conditions as in #25, exept Steam installed from the Ubuntu repos.

Ugrade successful, no issues.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-25 Thread Darin Miller
Tesiing the upgrade procedure with method in #1 on bare metal, pristine
24.10 fully updated with steam.deb from the Steam website: upgrade was
flawless!

Again, this upgrade experience is so much faster and issue free than it
has been for several cycles.

I will attempt an upgrade with Ubuntu's Stream shortly, but given the
multipe sucesses so far, I think the problem is solved.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-25 Thread Graham Perrin
** Tags added: kubuntu

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-25 Thread Gordon Lack
I can confirm it work for a system without libc:i386 installed, too.

A nice irony is that this system runs all of the time (and has a screen
- an old TV, usually switched off), so I want the desktop, but not
anacron (I want to define when my backups etc. will run and you can't
mark anacron as "not running" if it is installed).

So after the upgrade with -m desktop I have to purge anacron, which also
removes kubuntu-desktop (but fortunately leaves behind everything it
pulls in).

I might be able to upgrade a system with both steam and wine on it over
the weekend.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-25 Thread Gordon Lack
> No, you don't. That is just a template reply with generic instructions that 
> apply to most SRUS.
> 
> In this case while the update is in plucky proposed, to test you use the test 
> plan instructions in #1.
> That does not involve changing your sources.

A pity then that this bug,
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/2100599,
makes it difficult to get the Updates, and hence the Software Sources.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-24 Thread Darin Miller
With libc6:i386 installed and using the procedure mentioned in #1
(thanks Rik!), the ugrade worked perfectly!  It also fixed the issue
with the agonizing slow "Searching for software" step.

I have seen this issue in the last couple (several?) upgrades and I glad
it is finally  resolved!

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-24 Thread Rik Mills
> So I have to add plucky-proposed to the ubuntu.sources file?
> Seems odd, given the response in #13.

No, you don't. That is just a template reply with generic instructions
that apply to most SRUS.

In this case while the update is in plucky proposed, to test you use the
test plan instructions in #1. That does not involve changing your
sources.

One the update is tested and released and upgrades turned back on, the
oracular updater will fetch the plucky upgrader from the plucky release
pocket. No change of sources required. That is it's usual behaviour for
any upgrade.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-24 Thread Gordon Lack
So I have to add plucky-proposed to the ubuntu.sources file?
Seems odd, given the response in #13.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-24 Thread Andreas Hasenack
Hello Darin, or anyone else affected,

Accepted ubuntu-release-upgrader into plucky-proposed. The package will
build now and be available at
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/1:25.04.15
in a few hours, and then in the -proposed repository.

Please help us by testing this new package.  See
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation on how
to enable and use -proposed.  Your feedback will aid us getting this
update out to other Ubuntu users.

If this package fixes the bug for you, please add a comment to this bug,
mentioning the version of the package you tested, what testing has been
performed on the package and change the tag from verification-needed-
plucky to verification-done-plucky. If it does not fix the bug for you,
please add a comment stating that, and change the tag to verification-
failed-plucky. In either case, without details of your testing we will
not be able to proceed.

Further information regarding the verification process can be found at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification .  Thank you in
advance for helping!

N.B. The updated package will be released to -updates after the bug(s)
fixed by this package have been verified and the package has been in
-proposed for a minimum of 7 days.

** Changed in: ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Plucky)
   Status: In Progress => Fix Committed

** Tags added: verification-needed verification-needed-plucky

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-24 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Merge proposal linked:
   
https://code.launchpad.net/~enr0n/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+git/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+merge/484966

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-24 Thread Nick Rosbrook
> Suggestions:

Updated. Thanks!

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-24 Thread Julian Andres Klode
> And about this regression potential: "If any problems did occur from
this, it would most likely be seen in the calculation step.". What would
the signs for this be, can we add a check to the test plan? I suppose it
would mean massive removals, or that the desktop packages would be
removed, something like that

1. We could regress on

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/1766890

in cases where libc6 cannot be upgraded first, although we expect this
to be resolved these days by using noawait triggers in any case, so the
quirk to upgrade libc6 first should not actually be needed anymore.

2. We could change installation ordering and cause issues due to missing
dependencies

Optimally we'd remove the step entirely but this may carry a higher risk
of regressions as it affects more systems that have had a tested working
upgrade path with libc6 first.

There is no possibility of dependency changes getting *worse*, strictly
speaking. We calculate the upgrade first and show it to the user. If the
change causes libc6 to not be upgraded first, the resulting upgrade will
be exactly what was displayed rather than something potentially
different.

** Description changed:

  [Impact]
  
  Having libc6:i386 installed, which happens when e.g Steam is installed,
  can cause an upgrade calculation that removes the desktop environment,
  despite it being in the removal denylist.
  
  [Test Plan]
  
- Create a VM running Kubuntu 24.10. Then, install steam, and try an
+ Create a VM running Kubuntu 24.10. Then, install libc6:i386, and try an
  upgrade.
  
  $ dpkg --add-architecture i386
- $ apt install steam
- 
- Confirm that libc6:i386 is installed now, as that is believed to be the
- root cause of this bug:
- 
- $ apt policy libc6:i386
+ $ apt install libc6:i386
  
  Note that due to the fact that plucky is now released, but upgrades are
  disabled, we cannot use the --proposed flag to test upgrades
  conveniently. Instead, we need to manually download the tarball from
  https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-proposed, unpack it, and run
  the script.
  
  $ wget 
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/plucky-proposed/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/plucky.tar.gz
  $ tar xf plucky.tar.gz
  $ sudo -E ./plucky --frontend DistUpgradeViewText
  
- During the upgrade, when prompted about removals, enter 'd' for details
- and confirm there are no large or unexpected removals such as the
- desktop metapackage.
- 
  The upgrade should complete without errors, and the VM should reboot
- into plucky after the upgrade. Confirm that steam and libc6:i386 are
- still installed:
- 
- $ apt policy steam libc6:i386
+ into plucky after the upgrade.
  
  [Where problems could occur]
  
  The patch changes the condition for libc6_possible to be True, which
  means that in some cases libc6 might not be upgraded first. This path
  has always been possible, but this patch could expand the cases where it
  happens.
  
- If any problems did occur from this, it would most likely be seen in the
- calculation step, which would prevent the upgrade from continuing.
+ 1. We could regress on
+ 
+ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/1766890
+ 
+ in cases where libc6 cannot be upgraded first, although we expect this
+ to be resolved these days by using noawait triggers in any case, so the
+ quirk to upgrade libc6 first should not actually be needed anymore.
+ 
+ 2. We could change installation ordering and cause issues due to missing
+ dependencies
+ 
+ Optimally we'd remove the step entirely but this may carry a higher risk
+ of regressions as it affects more systems that have had a tested working
+ upgrade path with libc6 first.
+ 
+ There is no possibility of dependency changes getting *worse*, strictly
+ speaking. We calculate the upgrade first and show it to the user. If the
+ change causes libc6 to not be upgraded first, the resulting upgrade will
+ be exactly what was displayed rather than something potentially
+ different.
  
  [Original Description]
  
  1. Using a clean and upgraded install of Kubuntu 24.10, install Valve's
  Steam from the webesite: https://store.steampowered.com/about/
  
  2. perform do-release-upgrade
  
  3. Note that the "Searching for software" step will be extremely slow
  (taking 1 to 1.5 hours in some tests).
  
  4. When the install complete but before rebooting, check the status of
  the kununtu-desktop package and note that it is not installed.  If
  system is restarted, it will not boot. Installing kubuntu-desktop prior
  to rebooting will allow proper rebooting.
  
  *** additional to original report ***
  
  Summary of Bug comments and investigations so far:
  
  * The bug as reported is triggered on Kubuntu 24.10 systems where the 
upstream Valve .deb or Ubuntu archive steam installer/launcher packages have 
been installed.
  * It later turns out that this is not specific to the steam packages. It is 
just that this is likely one of the most common things that users

[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-24 Thread Nick Rosbrook
** Description changed:

  [Impact]
  
  Having libc6:i386 installed, which happens when e.g Steam is installed,
  can cause an upgrade calculation that removes the desktop environment,
  despite it being in the removal denylist.
  
  [Test Plan]
  
- Create a VM running Kubuntu 24.10. Then, install libc6:i386, and try an
+ Create a VM running Kubuntu 24.10. Then, install steam, and try an
  upgrade.
  
  $ dpkg --add-architecture i386
- $ apt install libc6:i386
+ $ apt install steam
+ 
+ Confirm that libc6:i386 is installed now, as that is believed to be the
+ root cause of this bug:
+ 
+ $ apt policy libc6:i386
  
  Note that due to the fact that plucky is now released, but upgrades are
  disabled, we cannot use the --proposed flag to test upgrades
  conveniently. Instead, we need to manually download the tarball from
  https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-proposed, unpack it, and run
  the script.
  
  $ wget 
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/plucky-proposed/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/plucky.tar.gz
  $ tar xf plucky.tar.gz
  $ sudo -E ./plucky --frontend DistUpgradeViewText
  
  The upgrade should complete without errors, and the VM should reboot
- into plucky after the upgrade.
+ into plucky after the upgrade. Confirm that steam and libc6:i386 are
+ still installed:
+ 
+ $ apt policy steam libc6:i386
  
  [Where problems could occur]
  
  The patch changes the condition for libc6_possible to be True, which
  means that in some cases libc6 might not be upgraded first. This path
  has always been possible, but this patch could expand the cases where it
  happens.
  
  If any problems did occur from this, it would most likely be seen in the
- calculation step.
+ calculation step, which would prevent the upgrade from continuing.
  
  [Original Description]
  
  1. Using a clean and upgraded install of Kubuntu 24.10, install Valve's
  Steam from the webesite: https://store.steampowered.com/about/
  
  2. perform do-release-upgrade
  
  3. Note that the "Searching for software" step will be extremely slow
  (taking 1 to 1.5 hours in some tests).
  
  4. When the install complete but before rebooting, check the status of
  the kununtu-desktop package and note that it is not installed.  If
  system is restarted, it will not boot. Installing kubuntu-desktop prior
  to rebooting will allow proper rebooting.
  
  *** additional to original report ***
  
  Summary of Bug comments and investigations so far:
  
  * The bug as reported is triggered on Kubuntu 24.10 systems where the 
upstream Valve .deb or Ubuntu archive steam installer/launcher packages have 
been installed.
  * It later turns out that this is not specific to the steam packages. It is 
just that this is likely one of the most common things that users might have 
installed that triggers the bug. Others might be wine32 etc (to be confirmed, 
but seems logical)
  * Steam installs a range of i386 libraries on an amd64 system via some 
dependency metapackages.
  * However, to replicate the bug one only has to install the package 
libc6:i386 on an otherwise pristine Kubuntu 24.10 install.
  
  * The bug is triggered when the system is upgraded to 25.04 when the Ubuntu 
upgrader tool is used. This can be from the command line via 
'do-release-upgrade', or invoking that with the commands to launch the GUI 
installer, or from the system tray upgrade notification dialogue.
  * The bug does NOT seem to be triggered when a system is upgraded with the 
old fashioned switching of software sources from oracular to plucky and doing 
'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' or 'sudo apt full-upgrade'.
  * This seems to be a bug related to the upgrader itself and how it 
treats/resolves dependencies and implements an upgrade.
  * To the user the upgrader presents what seems to be a sane and sensible 
summary of what the upgrade will do. i.e. the number and names of packages to 
be upgraded, newly installed and removed, look sensible. It does not propose to 
remove the kubuntu-desktop, or other core plasma desktop packages etc. Just 
packages that one would expect due to deliberate breaks/replaces on old 
conflicting versions etc.
  * It is only when the upgrader performs the upgrade that it diverges without 
warning from the proposed upgrade, and removes key desktop meta packages and 
other packages.
  * Then subsequent clean up of 'obsolete packages' then proposes to remove 
even more, presumably as the packages that did depend on them were removed in 
the previous upgrade stage.
  * As widely commented, later re-installing the kubuntu-desktop meta package 
should restore what was incorrectly removed via the upgrader.
  
  *** end of additional comments ***
  
  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 25.04
  Package: ubuntu-release-upgrader-core 1:25.04.11
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 6.14.0-13.13-generic 6.14.0
  Uname: Linux 6.14.0-13-generic x86_64
  ApportVersion: 2.32.0-0ubuntu3
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: unknown
  CrashDB: ubuntu
  Cr

[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-24 Thread Nick Rosbrook
** Description changed:

  [Impact]
  
  Having libc6:i386 installed, which happens when e.g Steam is installed,
  can cause an upgrade calculation that removes the desktop environment,
  despite it being in the removal denylist.
  
  [Test Plan]
  
- Create a VM running Kubuntu 24.10. Then, install libc6:i386, and try an
+ Create a VM running Kubuntu 24.10. Then, install steam, and try an
  upgrade.
  
  $ dpkg --add-architecture i386
- $ apt install libc6:i386
+ $ apt install steam
+ 
+ Confirm that libc6:i386 is now installed, as that is believed to be the
+ root cause of this bug.
  
  Note that due to the fact that plucky is now released, but upgrades are
  disabled, we cannot use the --proposed flag to test upgrades
  conveniently. Instead, we need to manually download the tarball from
  https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-proposed, unpack it, and run
  the script.
  
  $ wget 
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/plucky-proposed/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/plucky.tar.gz
  $ tar xf plucky.tar.gz
  $ sudo -E ./plucky --frontend DistUpgradeViewText
  
+ During the upgrade, when prompted about package removals, enter 'd' for
+ details. Confirm that are there no unexpected package removals such as
+ the desktop metapackage or steam.
+ 
  The upgrade should complete without errors, and the VM should reboot
- into plucky after the upgrade.
+ into plucky after the upgrade. Confirm that steam and libc6:i386 are
+ still installed.
  
  [Where problems could occur]
  
  The patch changes the condition for libc6_possible to be True, which
  means that in some cases libc6 might not be upgraded first. This path
  has always been possible, but this patch could expand the cases where it
  happens.
  
  1. We could regress on
  
  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/1766890
  
  in cases where libc6 cannot be upgraded first, although we expect this
  to be resolved these days by using noawait triggers in any case, so the
  quirk to upgrade libc6 first should not actually be needed anymore.
  
  2. We could change installation ordering and cause issues due to missing
  dependencies
  
  Optimally we'd remove the step entirely but this may carry a higher risk
  of regressions as it affects more systems that have had a tested working
  upgrade path with libc6 first.
  
  There is no possibility of dependency changes getting *worse*, strictly
  speaking. We calculate the upgrade first and show it to the user. If the
  change causes libc6 to not be upgraded first, the resulting upgrade will
  be exactly what was displayed rather than something potentially
  different.
  
  [Original Description]
  
  1. Using a clean and upgraded install of Kubuntu 24.10, install Valve's
  Steam from the webesite: https://store.steampowered.com/about/
  
  2. perform do-release-upgrade
  
  3. Note that the "Searching for software" step will be extremely slow
  (taking 1 to 1.5 hours in some tests).
  
  4. When the install complete but before rebooting, check the status of
  the kununtu-desktop package and note that it is not installed.  If
  system is restarted, it will not boot. Installing kubuntu-desktop prior
  to rebooting will allow proper rebooting.
  
  *** additional to original report ***
  
  Summary of Bug comments and investigations so far:
  
  * The bug as reported is triggered on Kubuntu 24.10 systems where the 
upstream Valve .deb or Ubuntu archive steam installer/launcher packages have 
been installed.
  * It later turns out that this is not specific to the steam packages. It is 
just that this is likely one of the most common things that users might have 
installed that triggers the bug. Others might be wine32 etc (to be confirmed, 
but seems logical)
  * Steam installs a range of i386 libraries on an amd64 system via some 
dependency metapackages.
  * However, to replicate the bug one only has to install the package 
libc6:i386 on an otherwise pristine Kubuntu 24.10 install.
  
  * The bug is triggered when the system is upgraded to 25.04 when the Ubuntu 
upgrader tool is used. This can be from the command line via 
'do-release-upgrade', or invoking that with the commands to launch the GUI 
installer, or from the system tray upgrade notification dialogue.
  * The bug does NOT seem to be triggered when a system is upgraded with the 
old fashioned switching of software sources from oracular to plucky and doing 
'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' or 'sudo apt full-upgrade'.
  * This seems to be a bug related to the upgrader itself and how it 
treats/resolves dependencies and implements an upgrade.
  * To the user the upgrader presents what seems to be a sane and sensible 
summary of what the upgrade will do. i.e. the number and names of packages to 
be upgraded, newly installed and removed, look sensible. It does not propose to 
remove the kubuntu-desktop, or other core plasma desktop packages etc. Just 
packages that one would expect due to deliberate breaks/replaces on old 
conflicting vers

[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-24 Thread Julian Andres Klode
** Tags removed: rls-pp-incoming

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-24 Thread Andreas Hasenack
There is this mistake in exception handling of the diff:

-logging.debug("Unable to mark libc6 alone for install.")
+logging.debug("Unable to mark libc6 alone for install: {}")

It won't crash the app, but we also won't see any debugging if the
related exception is raised.

Do you want to proceed without this extra debugging?

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-24 Thread Andreas Hasenack
Please expand the test case a bit. It currently just says:

"The upgrade should complete without errors, and the VM should reboot
into plucky after the upgrade."

Suggestions:
- check if libc6:i386 is still installed (and was upgraded)
- confirm desktop environment is installed (obvious, but...)
- since steam was mentioned, how about we test a release upgrade with steam 
installed? This sounds like it will address the user story from the bug 
description, even though libc6:i386 was deemed to be the root cause. But I 
suspect we need steam the deb, not steam the snap, right?

And about this regression potential: "If any problems did occur from
this, it would most likely be seen in the calculation step.". What would
the signs for this be, can we add a check to the test plan? I suppose it
would mean massive removals, or that the desktop packages would be
removed, something like that. Just add a spot check to the test plan to
confirm that the calculation mentioned in this regression potential
seems fine.

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Re: [Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-23 Thread Rik Mills
On 23/04/2025 21:47, Gordon Lack wrote:
> The fix really needs to go into Oracular first.
> That is where people will be running an upgrade.

This is not necessary, as the upgrader downloads the upgrade tool from
the release repos of the release you are upgrading to. So if this update
is released to plucky then an oracular -> plucky upgrade will download
and use that updated tool.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-23 Thread Gordon Lack
The fix really needs to go into Oracular first.
That is where people will be running an upgrade.

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-23 Thread Nick Rosbrook
I will upload to questing with the initial u-r-u upload for that series,
but I am uploading a fix to plucky now.

** Also affects: ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Plucky)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Plucky)
   Status: New => In Progress

** Changed in: ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Plucky)
   Importance: Undecided => Critical

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-23 Thread Nick Rosbrook
** Description changed:

  [Impact]
  
  Having libc6:i386 installed, which happens when e.g Steam is installed,
  can cause an upgrade calculation that removes the desktop environment,
  despite it being in the removal denylist.
  
  [Test Plan]
  
  Create a VM running Kubuntu 24.10. Then, install libc6:i386, and try an
  upgrade.
  
  $ dpkg --add-architecture i386
  $ apt install libc6:i386
  
  Note that due to the fact that plucky is now released, but upgrades are
  disabled, we cannot use the --proposed flag to test upgrades
  conveniently. Instead, we need to manually download the tarball from
  https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-proposed, unpack it, and run
  the script.
  
  $ wget 
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/plucky-proposed/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/plucky.tar.gz
  $ tar xf plucky.tar.gz
  $ sudo -E ./plucky --frontend DistUpgradeViewText
  
  The upgrade should complete without errors, and the VM should reboot
  into plucky after the upgrade.
  
  [Where problems could occur]
  
- TODO
+ The patch changes the condition for libc6_possible to be True, which
+ means that in some cases libc6 might not be upgraded first. This path
+ has always been possible, but this patch could expand the cases where it
+ happens.
+ 
+ If any problems did occur from this, it would most likely be seen in the
+ calculation step.
  
  [Original Description]
  
  1. Using a clean and upgraded install of Kubuntu 24.10, install Valve's
  Steam from the webesite: https://store.steampowered.com/about/
  
  2. perform do-release-upgrade
  
  3. Note that the "Searching for software" step will be extremely slow
  (taking 1 to 1.5 hours in some tests).
  
  4. When the install complete but before rebooting, check the status of
  the kununtu-desktop package and note that it is not installed.  If
  system is restarted, it will not boot. Installing kubuntu-desktop prior
  to rebooting will allow proper rebooting.
  
  *** additional to original report ***
  
  Summary of Bug comments and investigations so far:
  
  * The bug as reported is triggered on Kubuntu 24.10 systems where the 
upstream Valve .deb or Ubuntu archive steam installer/launcher packages have 
been installed.
  * It later turns out that this is not specific to the steam packages. It is 
just that this is likely one of the most common things that users might have 
installed that triggers the bug. Others might be wine32 etc (to be confirmed, 
but seems logical)
  * Steam installs a range of i386 libraries on an amd64 system via some 
dependency metapackages.
  * However, to replicate the bug one only has to install the package 
libc6:i386 on an otherwise pristine Kubuntu 24.10 install.
  
  * The bug is triggered when the system is upgraded to 25.04 when the Ubuntu 
upgrader tool is used. This can be from the command line via 
'do-release-upgrade', or invoking that with the commands to launch the GUI 
installer, or from the system tray upgrade notification dialogue.
  * The bug does NOT seem to be triggered when a system is upgraded with the 
old fashioned switching of software sources from oracular to plucky and doing 
'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' or 'sudo apt full-upgrade'.
  * This seems to be a bug related to the upgrader itself and how it 
treats/resolves dependencies and implements an upgrade.
  * To the user the upgrader presents what seems to be a sane and sensible 
summary of what the upgrade will do. i.e. the number and names of packages to 
be upgraded, newly installed and removed, look sensible. It does not propose to 
remove the kubuntu-desktop, or other core plasma desktop packages etc. Just 
packages that one would expect due to deliberate breaks/replaces on old 
conflicting versions etc.
  * It is only when the upgrader performs the upgrade that it diverges without 
warning from the proposed upgrade, and removes key desktop meta packages and 
other packages.
  * Then subsequent clean up of 'obsolete packages' then proposes to remove 
even more, presumably as the packages that did depend on them were removed in 
the previous upgrade stage.
  * As widely commented, later re-installing the kubuntu-desktop meta package 
should restore what was incorrectly removed via the upgrader.
  
  *** end of additional comments ***
  
  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 25.04
  Package: ubuntu-release-upgrader-core 1:25.04.11
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 6.14.0-13.13-generic 6.14.0
  Uname: Linux 6.14.0-13-generic x86_64
  ApportVersion: 2.32.0-0ubuntu3
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: unknown
  CrashDB: ubuntu
  CrashReports:
   640:1000:110:175125496:2025-03-29 12:39:16.258547358 -0600:2025-03-29 
12:38:59.705217907 -0600:/var/crash/_usr_bin_plasmashell.1000.crash
   640:1000:110:4231423:2025-03-30 12:15:26.452457354 -0600:2025-03-30 
12:15:25.246440280 -0600:/var/crash/_usr_libexec_ibus-ui-gtk3.1000.crash
  CurrentDesktop: KDE
  Date: Thu Apr  3 21:06:53 2025
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2025-03-29 (5 days ago)

[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-23 Thread Nick Rosbrook
** Description changed:

+ [Impact]
+ 
+ Having libc6:i386 installed, which happens when e.g Steam is installed,
+ can cause an upgrade calculation that removes the desktop environment,
+ despite it being in the removal denylist.
+ 
+ [Test Plan]
+ 
+ Create a VM running Kubuntu 24.10. Then, install libc6:i386, and try an
+ upgrade.
+ 
+ $ dpkg --add-architecture i386
+ $ apt install libc6:i386
+ 
+ Note that due to the fact that plucky is now released, but upgrades are
+ disabled, we cannot use the --proposed flag to test upgrades
+ conveniently. Instead, we need to manually download the tarball from
+ https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-proposed, unpack it, and run
+ the script.
+ 
+ $ wget 
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/plucky-proposed/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/plucky.tar.gz
+ $ tar xf plucky.tar.gz
+ $ sudo -E ./plucky --frontend DistUpgradeViewText
+ 
+ The upgrade should complete without errors, and the VM should reboot
+ into plucky after the upgrade.
+ 
+ [Where problems could occur]
+ 
+ TODO
+ 
+ [Original Description]
+ 
  1. Using a clean and upgraded install of Kubuntu 24.10, install Valve's
  Steam from the webesite: https://store.steampowered.com/about/
  
  2. perform do-release-upgrade
  
  3. Note that the "Searching for software" step will be extremely slow
  (taking 1 to 1.5 hours in some tests).
  
  4. When the install complete but before rebooting, check the status of
  the kununtu-desktop package and note that it is not installed.  If
  system is restarted, it will not boot. Installing kubuntu-desktop prior
  to rebooting will allow proper rebooting.
  
  *** additional to original report ***
  
  Summary of Bug comments and investigations so far:
  
  * The bug as reported is triggered on Kubuntu 24.10 systems where the 
upstream Valve .deb or Ubuntu archive steam installer/launcher packages have 
been installed.
  * It later turns out that this is not specific to the steam packages. It is 
just that this is likely one of the most common things that users might have 
installed that triggers the bug. Others might be wine32 etc (to be confirmed, 
but seems logical)
  * Steam installs a range of i386 libraries on an amd64 system via some 
dependency metapackages.
  * However, to replicate the bug one only has to install the package 
libc6:i386 on an otherwise pristine Kubuntu 24.10 install.
  
  * The bug is triggered when the system is upgraded to 25.04 when the Ubuntu 
upgrader tool is used. This can be from the command line via 
'do-release-upgrade', or invoking that with the commands to launch the GUI 
installer, or from the system tray upgrade notification dialogue.
  * The bug does NOT seem to be triggered when a system is upgraded with the 
old fashioned switching of software sources from oracular to plucky and doing 
'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' or 'sudo apt full-upgrade'.
  * This seems to be a bug related to the upgrader itself and how it 
treats/resolves dependencies and implements an upgrade.
  * To the user the upgrader presents what seems to be a sane and sensible 
summary of what the upgrade will do. i.e. the number and names of packages to 
be upgraded, newly installed and removed, look sensible. It does not propose to 
remove the kubuntu-desktop, or other core plasma desktop packages etc. Just 
packages that one would expect due to deliberate breaks/replaces on old 
conflicting versions etc.
  * It is only when the upgrader performs the upgrade that it diverges without 
warning from the proposed upgrade, and removes key desktop meta packages and 
other packages.
  * Then subsequent clean up of 'obsolete packages' then proposes to remove 
even more, presumably as the packages that did depend on them were removed in 
the previous upgrade stage.
  * As widely commented, later re-installing the kubuntu-desktop meta package 
should restore what was incorrectly removed via the upgrader.
  
  *** end of additional comments ***
  
  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 25.04
  Package: ubuntu-release-upgrader-core 1:25.04.11
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 6.14.0-13.13-generic 6.14.0
  Uname: Linux 6.14.0-13-generic x86_64
  ApportVersion: 2.32.0-0ubuntu3
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: unknown
  CrashDB: ubuntu
  CrashReports:
   640:1000:110:175125496:2025-03-29 12:39:16.258547358 -0600:2025-03-29 
12:38:59.705217907 -0600:/var/crash/_usr_bin_plasmashell.1000.crash
   640:1000:110:4231423:2025-03-30 12:15:26.452457354 -0600:2025-03-30 
12:15:25.246440280 -0600:/var/crash/_usr_libexec_ibus-ui-gtk3.1000.crash
  CurrentDesktop: KDE
  Date: Thu Apr  3 21:06:53 2025
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2025-03-29 (5 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 25.04 "Plucky Puffin" - Beta amd64 (20250324.1)
  PackageArchitecture: all
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-release-upgrader
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-22 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Merge proposal linked:
   
https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+git/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+merge/484806

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[Bug 2106202] Re: Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and Steam (or other) dependencies installed produces not booting desktop

2025-04-22 Thread Rik Mills
** Summary changed:

- Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and  Steam (or other) dependencies install 
produces not booting desktop
+ Kubuntu 24.10 do-release-upgrade and  Steam (or other) dependencies installed 
produces not booting desktop

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