If you don’t have an issue with networks or proxies, you should be ok after waiting a moment on seeing that screen. Of course, if your solution with the Plugin Manager is preferable and works, go with that approach.
Gj On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 22:22, Philip Durbin <philipdur...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for all the discussion and suggestions. > > I'm glad there's agreement that my use case makes perfect sense. That is, > I want to onboard developers to Netbeans and our existing Java EE project > without necessarily going through the "new project" workflow. > > I'm being told that I shouldn't go into "plugins" and enable Java EE > support. This reminds me strongly of Ren telling Stimpy not to push the red > button, the beautiful shiny button, the jolly candy-like button ( > https://vimeo.com/126720159 ). It's hard not to succumb to the maddening > urge. > > Before I change our dev guide again to recommend the "new project" dialog > instead of going through "plugins" I'd feel remiss if I didn't report that > on both computers at home (Mac and Ubuntu) the "new project" dialog hung at > the "finding feature" screen. I'll attach a screenshot. > > Thanks, > > Phil > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 10:15 AM Geertjan Wielenga > <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > >> Well, by "anything" here, I mean, do not enable Java or Java EE support >> there, since that's all neatly handled in the New Project dialog. >> >> The key things are that: >> >> -- You need to install the NetBeans fork of the Java compiler, nb-javac, >> to use all the features of the Java editor in NetBeans, which you're >> enabled to do when creating your first Java-related project. The reason why >> this is needed is because the nb-javac support is licensed to Oracle and >> hence you need to install it yourself. >> >> -- You need to install the Oracle JS Parser, i.e., Nashorn, to do >> JavaScript development, which you're prompted to do when you're creating >> your first HTML5/JavaScript application as well as your first Java EE >> related applications, since these depend on the JavaScript related modules. >> The reason why this is needed is because the Oracle JS Parser support is >> licensed to Oracle and hence you need to install it yourself. >> >> -- You also need to enable features, i.e., nothing is enabled by default, >> since few people need everything and something is only enabled when you >> start using it, from the New Project dialog. >> >> So, when I say 'anything' here, I mean the enablement of the basic >> features, which is integrated into the process of creating new applications. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Gj >> >> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 3:09 PM John Lavelle <j...@jql.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> *On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 1:54 PM Geertjan Wielenga >>> <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>> >>> wrote:* >>> >>>> *And, please, in all these things, do not go to the Plugin Manager, do >>>> not either activate or enable anything there.* >>>> >>>> *Thanks,* >>>> >>>> *Gj* >>>> >>> >>> Why? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 14:09, Geertjan Wielenga >>> <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> Opened your project without a problem after doing the above. It looks >>>> pretty cool in NetBeans. :-) >>>> >>>> Gj >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 1:58 PM Geertjan Wielenga < >>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Most likely the missing keymaps are also related to you simply not >>>>> having the Java and Java EE supported enabled -- do that in the New >>>>> Project >>>>> dialog. >>>>> >>>>> I do think we need to look at your use case, i.e., you're someone who >>>>> isn't using the New Project dialog at all, and that makes perfect sense in >>>>> your case, however it does mean that you're not being given the >>>>> opportunity >>>>> (other than the obscure message about JavaFX) to enable the features you >>>>> need. >>>>> >>>>> Gj >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 1:54 PM Geertjan Wielenga < >>>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> And, please, in all these things, do not go to the Plugin Manager, do >>>>>> not either activate or enable anything there. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Gj >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 1:53 PM Geertjan Wielenga < >>>>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> So, it sounds like you're simply opening NetBeans and then opening >>>>>>> your project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Instead of that, would be better if you'd first enable Java and Java >>>>>>> EE, in the New Project dialog, create a Java project and then a Java EE >>>>>>> project and everything will be enabled and you shouldn't encounter this >>>>>>> problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can you first try the above -- with a fresh userdir, i.e., from >>>>>>> scratch, with nothing enabled or otherwise -- and then respond after >>>>>>> that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gj >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 1:35 PM Philip Durbin < >>>>>>> philipdur...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sure, it's easy to reproduce both the javafx error and the >>>>>>>> "dataverse (broken)" experience, unfortunately. I just reproduced it >>>>>>>> on a >>>>>>>> second and third computer here at home. That makes two Macs and one >>>>>>>> Ubuntu >>>>>>>> computer. Here are the steps: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Unzip incubating-netbeans-11.0-vc4-bin.zip and launch Netbeans. >>>>>>>> 2. git clone https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse.git (I'm on ac6a1fd) >>>>>>>> 3. Open dataverse as a project >>>>>>>> 4. Observe that Netbeans says "dataverse (broken)" >>>>>>>> 5. Right click "dataverse (broken)" and click "Resolve Problems..." >>>>>>>> 6. Observe the error "Feature FeatureInfo[java] is incomplete: some >>>>>>>> module(s) are missing: org\.netbeans\.libs\.javafx\.(linux|win|macosx)" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm attaching screenshots from the second Mac and the Ubuntu >>>>>>>> computer and I'm putting details about their versions of Java below. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am *not* saying I want to install the "Java Web and Java EE" >>>>>>>> support. Please re-read my original message. There is a difference >>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>> installation and activation. I'm saying that as an experienced Netbeans >>>>>>>> users, I'm aware that Netbeans has plugins and so I know to start >>>>>>>> poking >>>>>>>> around in this area. Some of our summer interns are late high school or >>>>>>>> early college students and have never touched Netbeans before. It is >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> this reason that in that pull request for our dev guide (now merged) >>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>> explain to go into "Plugins" and to observe that "Java Web and EE" is >>>>>>>> already installed but must be activated. On my second Mac no plugins >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> activated. When I check the box next to "Java Web and EE" the >>>>>>>> "Activate" >>>>>>>> button becomes available. I haven't clicked "Activate" yet but I'll >>>>>>>> include >>>>>>>> a screenshot. I'm trying to say that seeing "dataverse (broken)" for a >>>>>>>> Java >>>>>>>> EE project is a poor user experience (I don't love the word "broken" in >>>>>>>> this context) and that it's non-obvious to new Netbeans users that one >>>>>>>> must >>>>>>>> activate plugins to make the project non-broken. I compensated for >>>>>>>> this in >>>>>>>> our dev guide, explaining how to make our project non-broken from the >>>>>>>> Netbeans perspective. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Emma, thanks for your note about Java 8 vs. 11. Below I'm listing >>>>>>>> the Java versions I'm running on the three computers I've tried. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm glad to hear that docs are coming. Docs are extremely important. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One more bit of feedback is that yesterday from my Mac at work (Mac >>>>>>>> 1, below), a number of Keymap shortcuts were missing. The entire >>>>>>>> "CommonTestRunner" category was absent, for example. Quitting Netbeans >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> restarting it fixed this. Very strange. I did not observe this bug on >>>>>>>> either computer at home. Very strange. I reported this yesterday in >>>>>>>> #netbeans on freenode, which I understand is piped into your Slack. >>>>>>>> You can >>>>>>>> read what I wrote at >>>>>>>> http://echelog.com/logs/browse/netbeans/1553727600 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope the feedback I'm giving is appreciated. I've spent a lot of >>>>>>>> time on this. To be clear, I voted "ship it!" for Netbeans 11 because >>>>>>>> I can >>>>>>>> work around these issue and guide contributors to our Java EE project >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> work around them as well. Again, I'm thrilled that I'm not stuck on >>>>>>>> Netbeans 8.2 anymore. THANK YOU! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mac 1 (work) >>>>>>>> OS X 10.14.3 >>>>>>>> AdoptOpenJDK 1.8.0_192-b12 >>>>>>>> (I can't run `java -version` from home) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mac 2 (home) >>>>>>>> OS X 10.14.3 >>>>>>>> openjdk version "11" 2018-09-25 >>>>>>>> OpenJDK Runtime Environment 18.9 (build 11+28) >>>>>>>> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 18.9 (build 11+28, mixed mode) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Linux 1 (home) >>>>>>>> Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS >>>>>>>> openjdk version "1.8.0_191" >>>>>>>> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build >>>>>>>> 1.8.0_191-8u191-b12-2ubuntu0.18.04.1-b12) >>>>>>>> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.191-b12, mixed mode) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 4:07 AM Geertjan Wielenga < >>>>>>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can you provide step by step instructions from scratch so that we >>>>>>>>> can reproduce seeing this error: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Feature FeatureInfo[java] is incomplete: some module(s) are >>>>>>>>> missing: org\.netbeans\.libs\.javafx\.(linux|win|macosx) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gj >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 7:00 AM Geertjan Wielenga < >>>>>>>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don’t understand why you want to install the ‘Java Web and Java >>>>>>>>>> EE’ support in Apache NetBeans 11. Please don’t do that. That >>>>>>>>>> support is >>>>>>>>>> automatically built into Apache NetBeans 11 for the first time. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, no docs yet specific to this release. Once they’re there >>>>>>>>>> would indeed be great for you to provide feedback on them. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gj >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 21:50, Emma Atkinson < >>>>>>>>>> emma.atkins...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think the error dialog saying >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Feature FeatureInfo[java] is incomplete: some module(s) are >>>>>>>>>>> missing: org\.netbeans\.libs\.javafx\.(linux|win|macosx) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> might be caused by running on JDK8. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When I used the option *--jdkhome <path>* to specify jdk-11 >>>>>>>>>>> (*please >>>>>>>>>>> check the release notes for the right one*) the error did not >>>>>>>>>>> appear. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Emma >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 15:19, Philip Durbin < >>>>>>>>>>> philipdur...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi! I just filled out the survey (late, please give us more >>>>>>>>>>>> notice next time) and I have a little feedback that I'd like to >>>>>>>>>>>> share here >>>>>>>>>>>> for a couple reasons: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - From my perspective, the survey goes into a black hole. If >>>>>>>>>>>> there is any transparency about what responses have been recorded >>>>>>>>>>>> so far, I >>>>>>>>>>>> don't know where to find them. If they're available, I'm >>>>>>>>>>>> interested in them. >>>>>>>>>>>> - The survey didn't allow me to enter any comments. It's all >>>>>>>>>>>> multiple choice. I have more I would have said in the survey. But >>>>>>>>>>>> maybe >>>>>>>>>>>> that's what mailing lists are for. :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So here we go. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've been feeling "stuck" on Oracle NetBeans 8.2 for a long >>>>>>>>>>>> time because of the lack of Java EE support in Apache NetBeans. >>>>>>>>>>>> The guy at >>>>>>>>>>>> the desk to me got our Java EE project (Dataverse) working in >>>>>>>>>>>> NetBeans 9 >>>>>>>>>>>> but I didn't have such a good time with NetBeans 10. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thrilled to say that this morning I got NetBeans 11 working >>>>>>>>>>>> with our Java EE project. I'm no longer stuck on 8.2. THANK YOU! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, not all is well. Being open source, we try to onboard >>>>>>>>>>>> as many new contributors as possible to our project and if you >>>>>>>>>>>> follow our >>>>>>>>>>>> dev guide as it appears now (4.11 for my reference), your first >>>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>>> with NetBeans 11 and our project is that it says "(broken)" next >>>>>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>>>>> project name in the Projects tab. (Screenshot attached.) If you >>>>>>>>>>>> right-click >>>>>>>>>>>> the project and click "Resolve Problems", this is the error you >>>>>>>>>>>> see: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Feature FeatureInfo[java] is incomplete: some module(s) are >>>>>>>>>>>> missing: org\.netbeans\.libs\.javafx\.(linux|win|macosx) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We don't use JavaFX in our project so it's a very strange error. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Next I clicked "Help" and then "Online Docs and Support". These >>>>>>>>>>>> show docs for NetBeans 10 with no mention that I could find of >>>>>>>>>>>> what Java EE >>>>>>>>>>>> developers are suppose to do. If there are new docs for NetBeans >>>>>>>>>>>> 11 that >>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like us to look at before you release, please let us know. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From previous attempts to get our project running on anything >>>>>>>>>>>> newer than NetBeans 8.2 I knew that I should check out which >>>>>>>>>>>> plugins are >>>>>>>>>>>> installed and enabled. I don't expect our contributors to know >>>>>>>>>>>> this so I >>>>>>>>>>>> just made a pull request to improve our dev guide to explain how >>>>>>>>>>>> to go from >>>>>>>>>>>> "broken" to a Java EE project. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> After activating "Java Web and EE", there is no green checkmark >>>>>>>>>>>> in the Active column. Some new menu items appear but "clean and >>>>>>>>>>>> build" >>>>>>>>>>>> still isn't available. I restarted NetBeans and explain this step >>>>>>>>>>>> in my >>>>>>>>>>>> pull request: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/pull/5695 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In case it helps, I'm on Mac OS X 10.14.3. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In my pull request I didn't document how to launch NetBeans but >>>>>>>>>>>> maybe I should since a lot of our contributors are new developers, >>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes college students, who may not be very familiar with the >>>>>>>>>>>> command >>>>>>>>>>>> line. I doubt anyone here needs this (and you probably have better >>>>>>>>>>>> ways) >>>>>>>>>>>> but I'll include my little script below since it's on my mind: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> #!/bin/sh >>>>>>>>>>>> VERSION='11.0-vc4' >>>>>>>>>>>> BIN="$HOME/java/netbeans/$VERSION/netbeans/bin/netbeans" >>>>>>>>>>>> echo "Launching Netbeans from $BIN" >>>>>>>>>>>> $BIN & >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I guess the other thing I'll mention is that my pull request >>>>>>>>>>>> also includes the workaround to get the Netbeans Connector Chrome >>>>>>>>>>>> Extension >>>>>>>>>>>> working. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, I've already given a little feedback on the survey >>>>>>>>>>>> itself, about how I was confused that you don't let your >>>>>>>>>>>> participants type >>>>>>>>>>>> anything (multiple choice only) but I'm new to your process. The >>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>> specific thing is that I would have appreciate an "I don't know" >>>>>>>>>>>> option for >>>>>>>>>>>> the question about performance of NetBeans 10 vs 11. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading all this! I hope it's helpful! Again, I >>>>>>>>>>>> really appreciate that Java EE support has been restored and that >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm no >>>>>>>>>>>> longer feeling held back on old versions of Oracle NetBeans. Thank >>>>>>>>>>>> you! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Durbin >>>>>>>>>>>> Software Developer for http://dataverse.org >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.iq.harvard.edu/people/philip-durbin >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
