Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-04-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ian Collins wrote: > But they are involved in the discussions around which features should be > there, and help to prioritise those features. > > I guess my fear is the external ZFS developers have adopted the Oracle > rather than the OpenSolaris development model. We all know where that > le

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-04-11 Thread Paul Kraus
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Ian Collins wrote: >  On 04/10/11 09:25 AM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> Right.  And in the real world, customers are generally not involved with >> architectural discussions of products.  Their input is collected and >> feed into the process, but they don't get to si

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-04-09 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 08:56 +1200, Ian Collins wrote: > > On 04/10/11 05:41 AM, Chris Forgeron wrote: > > > I see your point, but you also have to understand that sometimes too > many helpers/opinions are a bad thing. There is a set "core"

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-04-09 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sat, 9 Apr 2011, Garrett D'Amore wrote: Right. And in the real world, customers are generally not involved with architectural discussions of products. Their input is collected and feed into the process, but they don't get to sit at the whiteboard with developers as the work on the designs.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-04-09 Thread Brandon High
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Chris Forgeron wrote: > I see your point, but you also have to understand that sometimes too many > helpers/opinions are a bad thing.  There is a set "core" of ZFS developers > who make a lot of this move forward, and they are the key right now. The rest > of us

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-04-09 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 08:56 +1200, Ian Collins wrote: > On 04/10/11 05:41 AM, Chris Forgeron wrote: > > I see your point, but you also have to understand that sometimes too many > > helpers/opinions are a bad thing. There is a set "core" of ZFS developers > > who make a lot of this move forward,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-04-09 Thread Ian Collins
On 04/10/11 09:25 AM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 08:56 +1200, Ian Collins wrote: On 04/10/11 05:41 AM, Chris Forgeron wrote: I see your point, but you also have to understand that sometimes too many helpers/opinions are a bad thing. There is a set "core" of ZFS developers w

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-04-09 Thread Ian Collins
On 04/10/11 05:41 AM, Chris Forgeron wrote: I see your point, but you also have to understand that sometimes too many helpers/opinions are a bad thing. There is a set "core" of ZFS developers who make a lot of this move forward, and they are the key right now. The rest of us will just muddy

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-04-09 Thread Chris Forgeron
2011 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started. I glance at the list after years of neglect (selfishly...after almost losing my pool), and see stuff like this: shady backroom irc-kiddie bullshit. please: names, mailing l

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-04-05 Thread Miles Nordin
> "js" == Joerg Schilling writes: js> This is interesting. Where is this group hosted? +1 I glance at the list after years of neglect (selfishly...after almost losing my pool), and see stuff like this: shady backroom irc-kiddie bullshit. please: names, mailing lists, urls, hg servers.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-04-02 Thread Chris Forgeron
Ah, that's all I really need to know. I expected it to be public, but I completely understand the need to keep it private so it can move forward properly. This should hopefully provide enough record for other ZFS well-wishers who are searching for signs of post-Oracle development. -Origin

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-03-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Richard Elling wrote: > > The feeling I get is that while there is plenty of userland work being > > done, there is next to nothing on ZFS development outside of the Oracle > > camp. > > There is an active ZFS working group where many people contributing code to > the core > ZFS are members. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-03-26 Thread Garrett D'Amore
There is ZFS development happening outside of Oracle. Many of the active ZFS developers at a *variety* of organizations are collaborating within the illumos community using a private e-mail list much like an standards body Working Group (we even call ourselves the ZFS Working Group). And not all

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-03-25 Thread Richard Elling
On Mar 25, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Chris Forgeron wrote: > I’m curious where ZFS development is going. Forward :-) > I’ve been reading through the lists, and watching Oracle, Nexenta, Illumos, > and OpenIndiana for signs of life. > > The feeling I get is that while there is plenty of userland work

[zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-03-25 Thread Chris Forgeron
I'm curious where ZFS development is going. I've been reading through the lists, and watching Oracle, Nexenta, Illumos, and OpenIndiana for signs of life. The feeling I get is that while there is plenty of userland work being done, there is next to nothing on ZFS development outside of the Orac