Yes those of you that think Ping and the launch monitor is custom fitting might as well give it up. The launch monitor is only of any value, after you have the proper shaft selected, to select the loft of head the player needs. The primary problem the OEMs have is that only 40% of the players out there can be fitted with OEM shafts. Another OEM problem is the stiffness range they offer is to wide ( basicialy 15 Cycles per stiffness designation). To get the best performance we find you can not be out side the range of + or - 4 cycles. Plus when you find an OEM club that you hit well that dose not mean they can deliver you one at the same frequency that will hit like the one you demoed. Any of my customers that go the OEM demos are told that if the find a club the like they better take that ONE home with them. Until you can understand these OEM problems and sell your customer on them you have little to offer.
llhack > [Original Message] > From: McNix Custom Golf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <ShopTalk@mail.msen.com> > Date: 2/13/2005 2:40:14 PM > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: demo day > > Well, Hell! I guess I'll go ahead and close my shop now. > LMAO > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <ShopTalk@mail.msen.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 1:20 PM > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: demo day > > > > Big Ed: > > Not too smart on the part of the Titleist sales guys... > > I watched a young guy hit a bunch of different drivers and the Ping > > guy gave him a 11.5 deg with an X flex that he flat out killed and > > was obviously the club for him. That was when it dawned on me that > > Ping was doing things right (and at a great price). > > You did have a somewhat unusual driver that I'm sure you spent a lot > > of time and experimentation to get just right for your swing but my > > guess is that it probably wouldn't fit me. > > If the situation were reversed, are you going to have 20-25 Wishon > > 515's in your shop at various lengths, flexes, and shaft types so one > > of your clubs would beat MY favorite driver and still make a profit? > > (45 3/4 inch SMT Deep bore 10 deg with an AJ Tech 4360 Raw Red shaft). > > In order to compete with the Pings of the world, that's what you > > would have to have and then STILL compete with the brand recognition > > and price. > > John > > shoptalk > > > > > > > > >John, > > >Interesting. Earlier this year I went to be "fitted" by Titelist' > > >launch monitor. They likewise had a selection of drivers and > > >shafts. However, they had NO drivers with shafts less than 44 inches > > >NOR drivers with lofts greater than 10.5 degrees. > > > > > >Needless to say they scratched their heads when they tried to get > > >one of their clubs to beat my 43 1/2" 11.5 degree Wishon 515 driver. > > > > > >I hope that when Wishon's "Search for the Perfect Club" consumer > > >book comes out that both consumers and clubmakers will read it. The > > >consumers to get educated, the clubmakers to get some "sales pitch" > > >ideas. > > > > > >/Ed > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>It was "shorts" weather in Michigan yesterday (45 and sunny) so I > > >>wandered over to the demo day a large local driving range/golf shop > > >>was running in Ann Arbor. > > >> > > >>What I experienced should strike fear in the hearts of anybody > > >>trying to make a living selling assembled component clubs. > > >> > > >>I hung out at the Ping booth (but each OEM demo area was the same). > > >>The Ping guy had 50-60 demo drivers in a variety of lofts (8-12 > > >>deg) with a variety of shafts (Blue, Pro Launch, and a Ping shaft) > > >>in a variety of flexes. The Ping guy would suggest a driver then > > >>switch out different combinations until the golfer got what he was > > >>looking for. > > >>They also had a launch monitor setup if you wanted to stand in line a > bit. > > >>The new Ping G2 driver they were demoing is $299 retail. > > >>I think the OEM's have finally figured out what the consumer wants > > >>and is offering products at a very competitive price point with > > >>custom options available (many at no extra charge). Callaway's new > > >>454 driver is also priced at $299, which seems to be where most of > > >>the new drivers are priced. > > >> > > >>In comparison, the MAP on a KZG Gemini is something like $350. MAP > > >>on a Nakashima driver around $399. > > > > > > -- > > Thanks! > > John Muir > > http://clubmaker-online.com > > http://gripscience.com > > http://elevongolf.com > > 810.923.7396 > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005
