Check the philadephia fire code, when I. used to Do inspections in phila. About 11 yrs ago it was Required on every annual. You had to backflush The fdc and open and operate the fdc check
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Ron Greenman <[email protected]> wrote: >Now that I'm with my stuff, a cursory check of every edition back to the >first (1992) and nothing about a five year back flushing. I think we're >into one of those things thought up at soem Fire Marshals' meeting and has >become considered gospel. You always hear, "It's in the Constitution," when >it's not. For instance, there's a common misconception among many that the >Constitution prohibits Congress from enacting an income tax, where-in the >Constitution in Article 1, Section 8, CLause 1 it says: "The Congress shall >have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay >the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the >United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform >throughout the United States;...." But the hue and cry that a tax on income >was so unconstitutional that the 16th Amendment was proposed and ratified >by 38 of the then 48 states, just so it would be "Constitutional," that is >a part of the Constitution, although many of the people still believing it >to be illegal 100 years after the fact still say, "Well, it's only an >amendment, not a part of the Constitution," wholly denying what >a"amendment" means. We have a zillion of these bits of apocrypha in relation to >the codes and standards. Not to mention the faulty inductive reasoning >associated with lingering items where the original reason for something no >longer makes sense but is still extant, and then a young guy comes up with >a reason based on "thinking it through." > > >On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:23 AM, Ford, Charles <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks, Ron. That's the answer I was looking for. There did seem to be a >> great deal of silence from the forum. >> >> C. Burton Ford >> NICET Certified IV >> NFPA Certified Fire Protection Specialist >> Cintas Fire Protection Inc >> 1038 Conshohocken Rd >> Conshohocken, PA 19428 >> Tel 610-233-1400 >> Fax 610-233-1401 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman >> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:40 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Back flush FDC >> >> Funny. I thought it would be easy to find, but no, at least not in the >> 2011 edition. There's the 5-year hydro on dry sections (I think), and >> obstruction investigation triggers, but apparently the backflush isn't a >> scheduled maintenance thing. >> >> >> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Ford, Charles <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I have understood that back flushing of the FDC was a routine thing. >> > Some FDC checks have features the make it easier. Funny thing, I can't >> > find it referenced in 25. Is this a local (Philadelphia) thing? >> > >> > C. Burton Ford >> > NICET Certified IV >> > NFPA Certified Fire Protection Specialist Cintas Fire Protection Inc >> > 1038 Conshohocken Rd >> > Conshohocken, PA 19428 >> > Tel 610-233-1400 >> > Fax 610-233-1401 >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [email protected] [mailto: >> > [email protected]] On Behalf Of >> > [email protected] >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 12:49 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: RE: Extending the design basis 15 ft. past...CALC? >> > >> > The intention is to provide a buffer zone between two dissimilar >> > hazards where the higher density extends 15 ft beyond the physical end >> > of the higher hazard. This way if a fire began at the edge of the >> > higher hazard area, the higher discharge sprinkler system is more >> > likely to respond than if you ended the sprinkler systems right at the >> > imaginary line which physically separates two different areas of use. >> > >> > It has nothing to do with where you place the hydraulic design area. >> > That's dependent on your layout. >> > >> > >> > Craig L. Prahl, CET >> > Fire Protection >> > CH2MHILL >> > Lockwood Greene >> > 1500 International Drive >> > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >> > Direct - 864.599.4102 >> > Fax - 864.599.8439 >> > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 >> > [email protected] >> > >> > >> > >> > On May 8, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Ralphy Henderson >> > <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Hello, NFPA 13 quoted at bottom w/ the relevant code section: >> > > >> > > With the 15 ft. extending into the lesser hazard is the intention to >> > make this extended area part of the hydraulic design area (to be >> > included in calcs) or simply to extend the results of the calculations >> > into this area? My impression is the latter but I would like to see if >> > people concur with that. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > RB >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > NFPA 13: 2007 >> > > >> > > 11.1.2 >> > > >> > > (1) Where areas are not physically separated by a barrier or >> > partition capable of delaying heat from a fire in one area from fusing >> > sprinklers in the adjacent area, the required sprinkler protection for >> > the more demanding design basis shall extend 15 ft (4.6 m) beyond its >> perimeter. >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Sprinklerforum mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > >> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl >> > er.org >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sprinklerforum mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > >> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl >> > er.org _______________________________________________ >> > Sprinklerforum mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > >> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl >> > er.org >> > >> > This e-mail transmission contains information that is intended to be >> > confidential and privileged. 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