Make a call to the guys at Victaulic and look at the Vortex system.  You may be 
able to offer it as an alternative design to traditional sprinklers to the AHJ. 
 It takes very little water, can suppress high challenge fuel fires in open 
environments, doesn't require the same closure restrictions as gaseous systems 
do and can be set up to operate off of virtually any water source or as a 
standalone system with water cylinders. They also can provide backup water for 
multi-shots if needed for redundancy.  

Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection 
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
Spartanburg, SCĀ  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
CH2MHILL Extension  74102
[email protected]



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig 
Leadbetter
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Extra Hazard storage

The project is a Class IC storage facility storing lampricide in 5 gallon 
containers with rack storage that is 2400 sqft. With a required .45/3000 plus 
500 PGM for two hours the cost of the water supply is going to outweigh the 
cost of the building.

The site is remote and there is no municipal water available.   If I have
done my research through NFPA 30 correctly we are looking at a tank that is
200,000 gallons or more. Unfortunately the site has existing buildings and the 
site plan does not allow the space for a non-protected building

I was just trying to come up with a reasonable costing fire protection system 
although there may be nothing that is reasonable for this facility.


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:17 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> Is it bigger than a breadbox?
>
> Dry chem. Is typically reserved for protecting areas inside equipment.
>  Not occupied or potentially occupied spaces.
>
> For large areas there are so many problems with keeping the area tight 
> to contain gas such as FM-200 that it would be virtually impossible. 
> Also gas systems aren't going to suitable for every commodity.  And 
> lastly, if the Codes require sprinkler protection, most AHJ's aren't 
> going to go along with a gas only system as primary.
>
> So the questions arises as to why do you want to use gas instead of 
> sprinklers?
>
> Craig L. Prahl, CET
> Fire Protection
> CH2MHILL
> Lockwood Greene
> 1500 International Drive
> Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
> Direct - 864.599.4102
> Fax - 864.599.8439
> CH2MHILL Extension  74102
> [email protected]
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig 
> Leadbetter
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 1:56 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Extra Hazard storage
>
> Can an extra hazard storage facility be protected by a gas system or 
> dry chemical system?
>
>
>
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> Marquette, MI 49855
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