So if I'm understanding you correctly, its better to add cost and complexity to the system than to simply maintain the systems in proper working order. Why not repair the obvious problem by replacing the underground and stop patching a problem. This is exactly why Phoenix hatched this ridiculous solution. Move this issue inside and tell me how many times they will patch a leak in a corroded sprinkler system before doing the right thing and replace the entire piping system. This is what I call a Fortune 500 solution, repeatedly spend $100,000 from the annual maintenance budget, rather than approve a capital expenditure project to replace it. Myopic. And finally, to use your expression "consider what could happen" explain who is responsible for the loss when a fire in the building operates the first few sprinklers, the fire pump starts, blows out the known defective underground system, and the 3 million square feet of building, product and services is a total loss. Sorry for t he rant, its certainly not personal. Ok, I'm getting off the box. Mark at Aero
----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 01:55 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: FDC at every riser Before you think this is a bad idea consider what could happen. We would dearly love to have a FDC at every riser. We have a fire pump feeding an UG loop serving over 3 million square feet of industrial property. The system has a master FDC to the loop at the city connections (never been used) but the fire pumps are fed from the reservoirs. When the fire main breaks, which it does an average of 2.5 times a year, we back feed risers through the 2-inch drain connection. Each time the fitters have to undo the piping to install hose connections. It would be very nice to have a ready-made connection at each riser. Sometimes we have to run a a couple of hundred feet of hose to get to a hydrant that has pressure, but at least we have some service to the riser. So, don't condemn the idea. They are just thinking a little farther down the road than most people. John Hoffman P.E. | Fire Protection Engineer | Facility Engineering Services, KCP, LLC - Burns & McDonnell Engineering | National Nuclear Security Administration's Kansas City Plant | Operated by Honeywell FM&T | 2000 E. 95th St | Kansas City, MO 64131 | ph 816-997-7213 | [email protected] From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Date: 05/13/2013 11:21 PM Subject: Re: Exposed threads Sent by: [email protected] Try this one on for originality. The great City of Phoenix is set to amend the requirements of all the NFPA standards regarding FDC's. They will now require an industrial complex supplied by a fire pump taking suction from the city main, to have an FDC on the pump discharge and in addition, an FDC on every individual sprinkler riser or manifold fed from the underground supply from that pump, because there are sectional gate valves (in roadway boxes) in the underground yard mains that are not locked or monitored! So a 300,000 sf single building will now have up to 10 separate FDC's scattered around the facility. FYI, the only hydrants available for use in pumping into these FDCs are fed from the private fire pump. ?? Is anyone else around the solar system experiencing this level of micro-management? Comments, feedback? Frustrated in paradise. Mark at Aero ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Huggins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 08:45 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Exposed threads Just like the velocity limit of 32ft/s rule. Never was valid but often enforced with great zeal. Roland Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org On May 13, 2013, at 1:34 PM, John O'Connor <[email protected]> wrote: > It is amazing > how some rules get hatched and live forever, only to be expanded upon as if > the original came down from Mt. Sinai. > John O'Connor _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
