Owner can have an agreement with one (or more) local tanker company to respond 
with x number of trucks to fill in 8. Heckuva lot cheaper than redundant or 
double sized tank. 

This should qualify as a means to fill in 8.

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On May 17, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "Morey, Mike" <[email protected]> wrote:

> From NFPA 22 2012:
> 14.4.1 A permanent pipe connected to a water supply shall be provided to fill 
> the tank, except as provided in 14.4.1.1. 
> 
> 14.4.1.1 Where a permanent water supply is not available to refill the tank, 
> an approved plan shall be permitted for manually refilling the tank.
> 
> 14.4.1.2 During the time that the tank does not have sufficient capacity to 
> meet the demand of the fire protection system(s), the impairment procedures 
> of NFPA 25 shall be followed.
> 
> I would suggest maybe you consider (required supply GPM for NFPA duration) - 
> (flow rate of filling source x 8 hr) reserve water in your pond which all but 
> mitigates these requirements anyways, since it sounds like expanding the pond 
> isn't out of the question.  In which case your plan would be "if we have a 
> fire within 3 days of the first fire we'll hire a company to truck in water 
> and evacuate and impair the building per NFPA 25 until the water arrives" and 
> then file that plan away under "things that will probably never happen, but 
> just in case".
> 
> 
> Mike Morey, SET, CFPS
> Sprinkler Designer
> BMW Constructors, Inc.
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> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: [email protected] on behalf of Brad 
> Casterline
> Sent: Fri 5/17/2013 9:13 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: NFPA 22 2013 Water storage re-fill time.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks Bruce. It is truly out in the sticks. 35 GPM well pump. The designer
> is thinking if he made the pond capacity 300,000 gallons, after a 150,000
> gallon fire event the required water would be restored in no time,
> literally, but it would take 3 days to re-fill the 'tank', and the book says
> 8 hours max. (the tank A and tank B scenario was my idea, as a way of posing
> what I was concerned about). I don't know quite what to think yet, just glad
> I am not an A.H.J. :)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 5:17 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: NFPA 22 2013 Water storage re-fill time.
> 
> Brad,
> 
> If this tank sits in a place with municipal water, but still needs a tank, I
> would say you need to design for 8-hrs.
> 
> Start of what if's...
> 
> ...What if water department will only allow a rate of fill that is 12-hours.
> Document well (no pun), and fill tank in twelve.
> 
> ...What if you are truly in the sticks, and you only have, and can only get,
> a 20 gpm well. I think some sort of minimal tank for back up, or rent
> temporary tank system during major schedule maintenance, and live within
> your means.
> 
> Of course, restrict activites during this time.
> 
> While you tank is down is not the time for hot work to support new
> equipment.
> 
> bv
> From: "Brad Casterline" <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:42:59 AM
> Subject: RE: NFPA 22 2013 Water storage re-fill time.
> 
> ok good, now then, if you are/were an A.H.J., how would you answer this
> question: "How much time do we get to be able to re-fill a water storage
> tank in 8 hours"? for example, 150,000 gallon capacity for demand*duration,
> say tank A, from which the pump takes suction. Now we build a twin tank B,
> and connect to tank A with 8" pipe with a shut-off valve normally closed.
> There is an event and tank A runs dry. We open the shut-off valve and tank A
> 
> is re-filled in about 18 minutes. The well pump then starts refilling tank
> B, which will take 3 days. So the question is "how much time do we get to be
> 
> able to re-fill the tank within in 8 hours?".
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Casterline [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 8:18 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: NFPA 22 2013 Water storage re-fill time.
> 
> asking for a co-worker:
> 
> 
> 
> 1) Why are water storage tanks required to be re-filled in 8 hours?
> 
> 2) Would the requirement apply to ponds (man-made with liner in this case)?
> 
> 3) Are there any alternatives to the requirement?
> 
> 
> 
> (the pond is large and filled by a well pump with a pumping rate that would
> take more than 8 hours)
> 
> 
> 
> many thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Brad Casterline, NICET IV
> 
> Fire Protection Division
> 
> 
> 
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