[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Mickelson) writes:

> It would be interesting  to see how an experienced ancient observer, (or
> modern one) with out the aid of an accurate clock, could have determined the
> difference between true and mean civil noon.   Water clocks ....

Even ancient observers had a time piece available much more accurate
than a water clock or a mechanical clock: the motion of the stars.  As
I tried to make clear before, it is not necessary to decide whether
the sun or the stars move more regularly in order to discover the
equation of time.  The only tricky part is observing the position of
the sun and the stars at the same time, but that should be possible
with the brightest stars near sunrise and sunset.

Art Carlson

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