"We did not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we stole it from our children".
Now you are starting to sound like Jay Hansen <grin> It has a ring to it, but I don't believe all is quite yet lost. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID REID" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "DAVID REID" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > Ed, > Very good engines but still a bit on the hungry side. Still must admit > that when it comes to trucks you americans had it right in a time of plenty > as regards fuel with your philosphy that "cubes is power" as there is no > such thing as free or even cheap motoring and this is the only way an engine > will last when it is not overworked or overstressed. Will be interesting to > see what happens over the next fifty years or so though. I get the feeling > that future generations will look back in absolute horror at the absolute > waste, greed and selfishness of the present and immediate past generations. > Undoubtedly you americans unfortunately will be up there at the top of the > list. As they say ignorance is bliss. Thank goodness as the known reserves > of oil have more or less peaked an awareness is occuring. > Suggest if you want to remove metal particles and other contaminants from > used engine oil that you set up a filtering system using a Frantz type > by-pass oil filter to remove and filter them out and to circulate your oil a > few times. This type of filter can and will remove particles down to 1 > micron (absolute not nominal) and submicron levels (down as low as > 0.1micron). Something no spin-on Factory Full Flow Filter can do. Best these > will get down to is normally 10 micron (nominal not absolute). Very few of > these even get below 20-25 micron with a majority remaining in the 30 micron > plus level. In my opinion a by-pass filter should be mandatory by law for > every vehicle on the road. Believe the oil companies and vehicle > manufacturers have a lot to answer for. > Also believe Steve does not have it quite right when he says at the bottom > of his pages that: "We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we > borrow it from our children". Tricky lanquage this english language. Believe > he has the tense wrong and it should read: "We did not inherit the earth > from our ancestors, we stole it from our children". Still I have nothing > against optimists as I like to see myself as one, but believe self > improvement is only possible when we face the truth, admit it to ourselves, > and then go on to make the necessary adjustments for improvements to occur. > Honesty is only possible when we start with ourselves first. > Best of luck with your efforts. > B.r., David > > -----Original Message----- > From: steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:43 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > > > >cogen units in the shed ;-) > > > >Steve Spence > >Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > >http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > > >Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > >Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > >X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >(212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > >We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > >we borrow it from our children. > >-- > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ed Beggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 11:36 AM > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > > > > > >> VW engines with shavings in them would be mostly from the abuse and > >neglect > >> heaped upon them by their owners who don't know where the hood latch and > >> drain plug is (and block heater, and air filter, and water separator, > >> and...) ...wait a minute, that's more true of Volvo owners...well, at > >least > >> that solves the mystery of why the VW diesel never lasted very long in a > >> Volvo! > >> > >> The VW wears at 10 times the rate of the Cummins, so if a VW engine lasts > >> 500,000 kms, Ed's probably going to be driving that Dodge a long time > even > >> with a few microscopic bits of stuff in a small amount of oil (as a > >> percentage) of fuel. > >> > >> BTW, what are we going to do with all those 100-year Cummins engines > >after > >> the rest of the 10-year Dodge wears out? > >> > >> ;-) > >> > >> Ed > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > >> > Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:14:01 -0500 > >> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > >> > Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > >> > > >> > VW engines ;-) > >> > > >> > Steve Spence > >> > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > >> > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > >> > > >> > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > >> > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > >> > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > >> > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > >> > we borrow it from our children. > >> > -- > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Ed Service" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > >> > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:57 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > >> > > >> > > >> >> Of course I had to filter the used oil extremely well and also let it > >> > settle > >> >> for considerable time! What kind of engine would have metal shavings > in > >> > the > >> >> oil? Remind me so I'll never get one of them! Definitely there is iron > >in > >> > it > >> >> from normal wear and silicon from the dirt that sneaks in< these have > >to > >> > be > >> >> removed! But it does add lubricidy to the oil! > >> >> Ed Service > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > >> >> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:52 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> depends on his filtration system, but I wouldn't do it personally. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Steve Spence > >> >>> Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > >> >>> http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > >> >>> > >> >>> Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > >> >>> Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > >> >>> X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > >> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>> (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > >> >>> We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > >> >>> we borrow it from our children. > >> >>> -- > >> >>> > >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >>> From: "Troy Heagy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > >> >>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:03 AM > >> >>> Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> From: "Ed Service" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>>>> Is it true that synthetic oils like Mobil 1 and Amsoil are actually > >> >>>>> Biodiesel based? On my old truck ,a 93 dodge Cummins, I used Mobil > >> >> Delvac > >> >>>>> oil in the crankcase changing it at 20000 km's Then, mixed the old > >> > oil > >> >>> I'd > >> >>>>> removed from the engine into the fuel > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Isn't that a bad idea? I thought old oil was filled with particles > >> >>>> (including metal shavings)? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Troy > >> >>>> > >> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ > >> >>>> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >> >>>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >> >>>> To unsubscribe, send an email to: > >> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Your use of Yahoo! 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