A most excellent posting ,highlighting the degree of polorisation. --- In [email protected], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Martin > > >Great isn't it? > >My father sent me a scan of a newspaper article about a man and his son > >that were asked to leave a shopping mall, and later arrested because > >they wore shirts that had the slogan "Don't invade Iraq" > >They were not even protesting. > > Yes, incredible. It was reported all round the world - some US reports: > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story2&cid=573&ncid=757&e=8&u=/n > m/20030305/od_nm/iraq_usa_shirt_dc > Lawyer Arrested for Wearing a 'Peace' T-Shirt > Wed Mar 5, 8:30 AM ET > NEW YORK (Reuters) > > http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp? storyID=112222&category > =REGION&BCCode=HOME&newsdate=3/5/2003 > Marchers protest arrest of man for wearing peace T-shirt at Crossgates > Shopper charged after refusing to take off shirt that mall store made > for him, bearing slogans "Peace on Earth" and "Give Peace a Chance" > By CAROL DeMARE, Staff writer, with wire reports > First published: Wednesday, March 5, 2003 > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story2&cid=519&ncid=716&e=8&u=/a > p/20030306/ap_on_re_us/mall_activists > U.S. National - AP > Mall Wants to Drop Peace T-Shirt Charges > > >I watched a news conference with Bush tonight. Apparently Saddham > >Hussein is a direct threat to the US people. Hey, news to me... > > But you're not a jingoist, so you can't see what's not there. But > people believe it right enough. This just got sent to one of the > other groups I mentioned (not a biofuels group, truly off-topic > there) - there's loads of this stuff flying around (excerpts): > > >An Open Letter To The Hollywood Bunch: > > > >Ok let's just say for a moment you bunch of pampered, overpaid, unrealistic > >children had your way and the U.S.A. didn't go into Iraq. > >... > > > >Why you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical, idiotic, spoiled mugwumps. Get your > >head out of the sand and smell the Trade Towers burning. Do you think that a > >trip to Iraq by Sean Penn did anything but encourage a wanton murderer to > >think that the people of the U.S.A. didn't have the nerve or the guts to > >fight him? > >... > > > >You people need to get out of Hollywood once in a while and get out into the > >real world. You'd be surprised at the hostility you would find out here. > >Stop in at a truck stop and tell an overworked, long-distance truck driver > >that you don't think Saddam Hussein is doing anything wrong. > > > >Tell a farmer with a couple of sons in the military that you think the > >United States has no right to defend itself. > > > >Go down to Baxley, Georgia and hold an anti-war rally and see what the folks > >down there think about you. > > > >You people are some of the most disgusting examples of a waste of protoplasm > >I've ever had the displeasure to hear about. > > > >Sean Penn, you're a traitor to the United States of America. You gave aid > >and comfort to the enemy. How many American lives will your little, "fact > >finding trip" to Iraq cost? You encouraged Saddam to think that we didn't > >have the stomach for war. > >... > > > >You scoff at our military who's boots you're not even worthy to shine. They > >go to battle and risk their lives so ingrates like you can live in luxury. > >The day of reckoning is coming when you will be faced with the undeniable > >truth that the war against Saddam Hussein is the war on terrorism. > > > >America is in imminent danger. You're either for her or against her. There > >is no middle ground. > > > >I think we all know where you stand. > > > >What do you think? > > > >God Bless America! > >Charlie Daniels > > :-( > > Quite a classic of its type - no facts, no reasoning, no argument, > sees monsters under the bed nobody else can see, can't see all the > disconnects everyone else can see. No compassion, no humanity... Just > labelling and vituperation, and the ever-more evident bipolar "us vs > them" approach, dysfunctional, simplistic and toxic. > > Hoagy posted some good antidote links: > > The Disinformation Age: > How George W. Bush and Saint Colin of Powell are lying America into > an unnecessary war - and what honest journalists can do about it > By Dennis Hans > Tuesday, 4 March 2003 > http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0303/S00011.htm > > Also: > > Lying Us Into War: > Exposing Bush and His "Techniques of Deceit" > By Dennis Hans > Monday, 10 February 2003, 10:06 pm > http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0302/S00061.htm > > Hoagy also posted some of William Blum's work - his homepage is here, > lots of good information: > http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm > The American Holocaust > > Once again, from a post I sent yesterday: > > >http://www.oneworld.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi?root=1680&url=http%3A%2F% 2F > >www%2Eoneworld%2Enet%2Fips4%2F2003%2F02%2F27%2D2%2Eshtml > >oneworld.net > >ECONOMY - Oil Benefits Will Flow to U.S. from Iraq - Experts > > > >Emad Mekay > > > >WASHINGTON, Feb 27 (IPS) - A U.S. invasion of Iraq would guarantee > >long term oil supply for the U.S. economy, guard against oil > >exporting countries ever using the energy source to influence U.S. > >foreign policy and could also benefit U.S. oil companies, analysts > >here say. > > > >''When the U.S. goes to Iraq, we are not only talking about just > >profit (for U.S. oil companies) here but we are also talking about > >(oil) control,'' said Steve Kretzmann, an oil industry analyst with > >the Institute of Policy Studies. > > > >''Who's controlling the tap and who's got their hands on the spigots > >is what really matters. It (the potential U.S. war in Iraq) has > >everything to do with oil,'' he said. > > > >Kretzmann was reacting to statements Wednesday by U.S. President > >George W. Bush denying that Washington is attacking Iraq for oil, as > >millions of anti-war protesters shouted during demonstrations > >earlier in February. > [more] > > Regards > > Keith > > > > > >--- > >Martin Klingensmith > >nnytech.net > >infoarchive.net > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 9:33 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [biofuel] Jingoism > > > > > > As opposed to the "off-topic political crap" complaints here about > > > Iraq news that's allegedly driving people away from discussion lists > > > and newsgroups (but only pro-war party Americans), there's also this > > > kind of stuff being very widely posted by pro-war party Americans > > > that's driving people of every other stripe away. > > > > > > >Bulletin: The French Government issued an indefinite ban on > > > >fireworks after soldiers at a nearby French army garrison > > > >surrendered during last week's fireworks display at Euro Disney. > > > >Never Forget Sept. 11 2001 > > > > > > and > > > > > > >... an Iraqi friend says he ran across it in Agence France- Presse. > > > > > > > >"Jacque Chirac revealed today that the new French battle tanks will > >be > > > >alongside American tanks as they race next week from Kuwait toward > > > Bagdad" > > > > > > > >"The new tanks have a well-stocked wine cellar and a sommelier has > >been > > > >added as a crew member." Other features are a re-designed > >transmission > > > with > > > >six speeds in reverse, plus one forward, in case they are attacked > >from > > > the > > > >rear." > > > > > > and so on. Along with boycotts of French and German goods by US war > > > party supporters. > > > > > > Typically, there's no consideration of the French position, no > > > consideration of any dissenting view, of any inconvenient news or > > > information, of any of the lies and disconnects, of anything that > > > isn't gung-ho for the bombs. "If you aren't for us you're against us" > > > - bipolar thinking, rejection, labelling, jeers. > > > > > > > > > http://www.presentdanger.org/commentary/2003/0302endgame.html > > > Foreign Policy In Focus | Global Affairs Commentary | > > > Endgames: Washington, UN, and Europe > > > > > > By Peter Howard > > > February 28, 2003
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