Hi Walt, SO this is to ask all of you with any experience of Streams plugin: Can you > relate to the need i am expressing? Or have you found a good way "flatten" > your streams, and integrate your Streams content properly into a TW > instance? If so, anything you might care to share in terms of workflow > and/or code would be most appreciated.
I don't personally have any need to convert a stream into a bulleted list within a single tiddler*.* As you note, outliners very useful for agile note taking, but in my opinion a hierarchical list is not the best way to *present* a single idea. So in general once I have moved my streams nodes to their evergreen home, I aspire to convert my notes into more readable prose. I do this by rearranging the nodes into a flat list, re-writing as required, and then flattening with a button described here: https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rEtegfiGYJE/m/L0-euDfWAAAJ In reality I rarely actually get to that stage, and am generally happy to leave my evergreen notes in "node-form". I don't personally see any benefit in converting them to a bulleted markdown list, but it depends on what your use case is? Meanwhile: i too would very much like to know who else is using Streams > regularly, and in what sort of workflow(s). > So if you are one, dear reader, please let us know! Hi Saq, One of the things I would dearly like to know is how many people are > actually using Streams on a regular basis, and what their workflow looks > like. My feeling is its a very small handful and I'll admit that probably > influences how much time I devote to working on Streams. You may have seen it but I roughly described my workflow here: https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/gbEHUyX8dc0/m/r1yF5JdXCAAJ For me Streams excels at quickly capturing information that I cannot yet fit into any main ideas within your knowledge. Being able to re-jig this captured information is helpful for making sense of it, eventually integrating them with the main ideas that I want to internalise. In particular this can help to break through some of the constraints of linear reading. I aspire to one day build some incremental reading <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incremental_reading> tools with TiddlyWiki, which may partially replace my use of streams, but for now I have found streams to be the best solution for non-linear reading. On the topic of how many people use it, maybe you could consider creating a Google Form and linking to it from the download page, asking users if they would take a second to answer some brief questions? I was also wondering if you had considered setting up a way for users to donate? Not necessarily to fund development, just to show appreciation for great free software! I am not currently in a position to contribute much, but in the future I would certainly be happy to subscribe to a patreon or whatever. I would add that like Mario I am very happy with the current features of streams, though I have made the following tweak to the text display for the breadcrumbs. It's a very minor thing, but in my opinion looks nicer than just cutting off the title mid-word: <$text text={{{ [<display-title>length[]compare:number:lt[40]then<display-title>] ~[<display-title>split[]first[40]join[]trim[]addsuffix[...]] }}}/> I wonder if you think it should be added when you next update? On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 at 14:22, ludwa6 <wludw...@gmail.com> wrote: > Picking up where this earlier thread > <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/vlAZ_K4K63o> left off, i am > following Saq's advice > <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/vlAZ_K4K63o/m/9lO63cZEAQAJ> to > start another conversation on the more specific question of HOW best to use > -and perhaps adapt- the Streams plugin, to make TW into a great tool for > not only "intertwingly" NoteTaking (which it certainly is), but also great > for agile NoteTaking, as defined in aforementioned thread. > > Having just installed the plugin (Streams 0.2.18) in my TiddlyDesktop > instance, i am already fairly drunk on the power of having what feels like > a full-fledged outliner *within* a tiddler, where i can bang out a stream > of bullet points, promote & demote, indent & outdent, etc... All as fast as > i can type the keystrokes, or drag&drop on mobile. > > But then: the result is a slew of tiddlers with long numeric IDs that, tho > nicely presented in the edit window as a clean hierarchal outline, cannot > be either flattened into a single tiddler, nor exported or even copy/pasted > into the tiddler body via any built-in affordance. I've been going the > copy/paste way so far, but it's a hard road to travel, given any > significant length and/or complexity to your outline. > > Now: plugin author Saq said essentially > <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/vlAZ_K4K63o/m/9lO63cZEAQAJ> > that the only reason he hasn't built in any such affordance is that he > doesn't know what users want: a simple concatenation of the stream? a > hierarchial structure in some form? > > For me, the best (and simplest?) solution would be to convert the stream > to Markdown: each node being just a line of text preceded by a number of > asterisks (1->any) to reflect its level in the hierarchy. This could be > interpreted & displayed correctly in any tiddler that is formatted > Markdown; TW has affordances for this -as does Github (.md is default > format of ReadMe files there) and most web publishing & word processing > apps you can find these days. Indeed, Saq indicated > <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/vlAZ_K4K63o/m/BF2bQzugAAAJ> > that a .md<->.tid converter would be no big deal (for him, at least :-) to > create; this would enable not only "flattening" of a Stream in such manner, > but also importing a .md file as presentable tiddler content. Now THAT > would be cool, IMHO... But that's just me, so far. > > SO this is to ask all of you with any experience of Streams plugin: Can > you relate to the need i am expressing? Or have you found a good way > "flatten" your streams, and integrate your Streams content properly into a > TW instance? If so, anything you might care to share in terms of workflow > and/or code would be most appreciated. > > NB: I did learn in the course of that earlier thread about this > Streams-to-text > solution <https://szen.io/stream/> (thanks @Si for the pointer), but Saq > warned > <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/vlAZ_K4K63o/m/yXLAGwBIAQAJ> > that the plugin (actually a microAddOn/Mod, according to author Jan) is not > compatible with current version of Streams as it stands, though he believes > that Jan is working on it. So i'm holding off on installing that for now, > but would love to hear any news or user reports about that. > > /walt > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/2485302e-c5a4-4b3d-a9d8-46a367a2c65cn%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/2485302e-c5a4-4b3d-a9d8-46a367a2c65cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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