I appreciate the responses I've received so far, and I'd like to respond to some of the issues raised. Our department has a fairly traditional curriculum (I think). After general psych students take a 2 semester stats/research methods sequence. They choose at least one from social, developmental, and personality, and one from physio, cognitive and learning. History of psych is the senior capstone class, and students must take at least 5 psych electives in addition to the required classes. Many seniors take a 2 semester practicum (supervised internship in mental health setting). Is our major perceived as easy? It's not so simple to gauge. We do get a lot of biology major drop-outs. But we have a large percentage of students who come into college wanting to major in psych because they want to a) help people b) work with children. We have a low % of students who go on to Ph.D. programs, but a fair number who go on to pursue masters of some sort. In VT education students must major is something besides education, so about 30% of our majors are elementary education double majors and that % is increasing. Our faculty is reasonably representative of the various subfields (1 developmental, 1 social/personality, 1 learning/physio, 1 experimental/psychometrics, 1 cognitive, 2 clinical). We differ in our emphasis on scientific rigor in our individual classes, but not so much as a department. We have spent some time talking about our expectations for research methods/stats and applying that kind of thinking in other classes. Our students tend to view research negatively and that is a huge frustration for most of us, and something we are trying to change. We have (somewhat informally) analyzed what the students actually take, and it's clear that they select heavily from the abnormal/personality/developmental/social courses, and rarely choose more than the required one of the other group, and its clear that they perceive the cognitive/physio/learning classes as more difficult, and less "relevant" (oh how I hate that phrase!!) We would like to offer more upper level seminars, and give students more opportunities to be involved in research. But as I said in my earlier post, even with adjuncts it is difficult to schedule enough seminars and keep them at a reasonable size to require them. In fact, (and we have said this to the administration in our many pleas for more faculty) we would all like to revise our curriculum to make it more rigorous (require more lab experience, more upper level courses) but we can't make any meaningful changes under the current condition. We don't really have the option of not advising students--as a small liberal arts school we pride ourselves on students getting lots of individual attention--although psych students get less than some others. We have discussed many options for limiting the number of majors--having an exit exam (which would only work over time if became known that it would be difficult to pass), some sort of exam after general psych or research methods, minimum grade criteria, requiring all psych majors to take biology for their science requirement. Using grades in general psych and research methods seems to be the option that would be least objectionable to the administration (although we haven't presented this to them as yet) and achieve our goals. Sorry to go on so long!!! Kris