Re: [TruthTalk] Death, Destruction, and Hell

Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:18:20 -0800

 I come from a more conservative church although it would still look liberal to Americans LOL.
NOOOOO, I would have never guessed!

Caroline Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thank you Judy;
Yes, I'm Canadian and I do know Lance and Debbie. I come from a more conservative church although it would still look liberal to Americans LOL.
 
In the parable of the unforgiving servant (Matt 18) Jesus says that unless we forgive, God will send us to hell. Or is it hell that he is talking about in this parable? Could it be purgatory? The parable does hint that it may be possible to get out once the price is paid, but then again maybe not because the debt was so huge and a person can't work to pay off a debt while being tortured.
 
Would you say that we should add that a person has to forgive in addition to accepting Jesus as Saviour  in order to be saved. Or is Paul more correct in saying that we are saved by grace through faith alone.
 
Love,
 
Caroline
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Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Death, Destruction, and Hell

Welcome to TT Caroline,
 
Is it safe to assume from your address that you are Canadian also and that you have a similar worldview to that of Debbie, Lance and Jonathan? (do you know them?) and is your understanding similar to theirs with everything hinging on 'word meanings and greater concepts'?
 
God has not changed Caroline He is the same today as He was at the beginning. Adam and Eve chose a covenant  agreement with the enemy and lost the one they had with God; they were driven from the garden and future generations were born into a new reality. Since then 'mankind has been born into trouble as the sparks fly upward'. Hell and destruction are spoken of all through the OT and Jesus not only spoke of it often, he painted a clear picture in his parable of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:24-29. The rich man died, was buried, and found himself in torment. First he wanted someone to dip their finger in water and put it on his tongue just for relief - and then he wanted someone sent to warn his five brothers not to come to that place.  Jesus said "they have Moses and the prophets" ...
 
So what's new under the sun?  The ppl of that day didn't want to hear and neither do ppl today.  How sad.  judyt 
 
 
 
 
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:28:53 -0600 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Sorry about the previous empty reply!
 
The King James bible translated certain words in the OT as hell that later scholars feel should be properly rendered as the grave or sheol. All the modern translations do not use the word 'hell' in the OT because the modern word no longer means what the OT writers were trying to convey. Jesus spoke a lot about hell but his listeners have a very different concept of what he was talking about. Most likely they were thinking about being cut off from God, life, joy etc when one is dead and in the grave.
 
The odd thing is that the NT authors don't speak a lot about hell. James spoke metaphorically about our tongues being fuelled by the fires of hell. Peter spoke of fallen angels being held in hell. Odd if the whole world is going to hell and our job is to save as many as possible.
 
Caroline
I don't believe there are ever times when God doesn't love
 
Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction
PS 64:9 And all men shall fear, and shall declare the work of God; for they shall wisely consider of his doing.
Joshua 4 That all the people of the earth might know the hand of the LORD, that it is mighty: that ye might fear the LORD your God for ever.
 
You do not know the God of the Bible
Mal 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste
RM 9:13 Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
PS 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
PS 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready. He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death
God also loves Hitler? Jeffrey Dahmler [sp] The Homo Cannibal?
 
God's preocpupation with hell?
DU 32 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth
PS 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell
PS 55 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
IS 5 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
Is 14 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
MT 18 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
MT 23 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
MK 9 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Lu 12 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
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