Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

[Judy Taylor]

I don't play with truth Lance and I've not been playing 'ping-pong' as you call it with you anyone else so far as I'm concerned.   Decidedly trying to engage you in any kind of responsible dialogue is a big waste of time because you are in some type of extra-biblical delusion.  However, hope springs eternal -   jt   On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:28:28 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: We have been 'down this road' 436,000 (anyone for a glass of hyperbole?) times previously David, demonstrating his characteristic patience, 'walked you through this distinction some time ago. By the by, David just might be the best player of 'biblical ping-pong' on TT. Gary's 'Dylanesque' question is truly one of the best ever put on TT. From: Judy Taylor   On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:29:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: No! I'm 'rebuffing', as you put it, YOUR TAKE on His Word. How can you call the following "Izzy's take"?  Did Jesus speak these words or didn't He? I have many translations and these words are not missing (in the following form) from any of them. Please give credit where credit is due Lance. What Izzy wants to know and what I am also interested in is "Lances more comprehensive version" - dialogue with God is closed on this (His Word is forever settled in heaven); but it's open season here - so how about it?  jt   Matt 7: 13"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.      14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.   From: ShieldsFamily You seem to think that offering your opinion absent any scripture trumps anyone else’s opinion.  You think you can be “open” to the Holy Spirit while rebuffing His Word? You call having scriptural foundation for one’s faith “Biblical ping-pong”.  You forget how many have died martyr’s deaths so you and I can have the gift of God’s Word. To belittle it is insulting to them, as well as to the Author.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir "We"?.... Some, you among them, actually seem to think that 'Biblical ping-pong', absent any internal dynamism (openness to the Spirit), is a useful enterprise. Play on.   From: ShieldsFamily Typical snide remark in an attempt to dodge my valid questions regarding your scriptural basis for your beliefs.  Doesn’t work, Lance.  We can see through you like cellophane. You have chosen Humanism over Scripture. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir MIGHT be?  Brighten the corner where you are, Linda.   From: ShieldsFamily That might be a valid criticism except for one thing, Lance: You continue to refuse to explain what the scriptures mean to you.  I have asked for your input and you have ignored my repeated requests.  I can only assume that you reject the plain words of Jesus in order to believe what you call the “larger context within which you should be reading Jesus' words.”  You are the one with the “case closed.” Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Izzy says: (my interpretation of her) Anyone who does not view this matter as I have come to understand it through my reading of Scripture is simply disagreeing with God Himself. Therefore, no dialogue is necessary. One need only read my citations. Case closed.   From: ShieldsFamily ShieldsFamily wrote: DaveH and Lance, You are arguing with Jesus, not DM, Jt, Kevin and Izzy.  You condemn us for believing Jesus. DAVEH:   Excuse me, Izzy.  I've never condemned anybody for believing Jesus.  If you sincerely think I have, please explain where and how I did so.   By refusing to believe His words:  Matt 7: 13"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.      14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.    Why is this? To say the we are eager for damnation of anyone who does not agree with our particular theology is a slur (as usual.) DAVEH:   Do you believe those who do not accept Jesus as you do will be saved?  Not because they don’t accept Jesus “as I do”, but because they don’t accept Jesus as He said they must: John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”   And, if not....do you believe they will be tossed into a physical lake of fire to be physically tortured forever because they do not accept Jesus as you do, Izzy? Not because they “don’t accept Jesus as I do”, but because they don’t accept Jesus as He said you must. So believing Jesus’ words is equivalent to being “eager” for others’ damnation in your mind, DaveH?  Such logic places blame for damnation upon those who believe God’s Word, instead of upon those who refuse to accept God’s terms of salvation.  Izzy