Hi Judy;
Consider these two translations side by side and
see how KJV aims at the person and that was an error in
translation
Psalm 7:11 KJV "God judgeth the righteous, and
God is angry with the wicked every day."
Psalm 7:11 NASB "God is a righteous judge. And a
God who has indignation every day."
You just stepped into a middle of a conversation
where I was making a case that God is usually angry with sin in the person but
rarely with the person. Kevin used the above verse as part of a proof that to
hate the sin and love the sinner is not biblical. I suppose you feel same and
have no qualms about hating both sinner and sin.
jt: Kevin has a funny way of
hating the sinner - in laying down his own comfort to go out on the
street and share God's Word with the hope that he will repent... Neither
do I hate ppl Caroline. ATST I do hate sin, in myself as well as in
others and believe we are to separate ourselves from it.
Judy: If he stoned her Caroline He would have had to execute judgment
on her accusers also but that was not the time. He came the first time to
show us another way. When he comes again it will be with the sword to
execute judgment against sin.
Caroline: Now why would stoning the women caught
in adultery mean he would have to stone her accusers as well? They were not
caught in sin and they were obedient to the Law. Isn't Jesus judge as well as
saviour?
jt: They were hypocrites - where was the
man involved? She wasn't committing adultery by herself and the law of
Moses said both should be stoned.
Judy: God loves those who love Him - if we choose to abandon
Him by clinging to our fallenness and sin, he will abandon us by
our own choice.
Caroline: Were you always raised in a Christian
home, Judy? I wasn't. So I know for sure that He loved me when I was His
enemy and He pursued me as a Father and as a Lover. Being raised in a
non Christian home was one of the best gifts possible. The fact that my
earthly father is a good and loving man despite being an atheist and losing
his father at the age of 9 is a true blessing and a direct intervention of God
as I don't believe any human can love without God's help. I've been a part of
Christianity and churches for 2 decades and sometimes when I see how some
Christians treat their kids, I thank God I was not raised that
way.
jt: The home I was raised in was
nominally Christian and the church I was sent to more concerned with
entertaining young people than focusing on the truth
of God's Word which truth involves God's judgment as well as his love.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom which fear is impossible when
we are taught and live in partial truth only.
Judy: That's interesting since His Word says "I
form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I the Lord
do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7) - I wonder if there is a new
translation that can manipulate this into something else.
Caroline: This
is also a mistake in translation in the KJV. The Lord does NOT create evil.
jt: He created Satan and the demons
didn't He? I know He didn't make them evil at the start or force evil
upon them later, but He is still their Creator and He takes responsibility. He
is not in denial.
The correct translation is
"disaster" NIV or "calamity" NASB. That part of the verse says that God
decides whether we live in good times or bad.
jt: The newer versions pervert the
Word of God Caroline and they are in the process of expunging Satan/Lucifer
from the scriptures entirely.
The first part must be read in
light (no pun intended) of the verses just before it. Darkness is NOT evil. It
is about secret places. v. 3 says (in the KJV no less) "I will give you the
treasures of darkens and the hoards in secret places, that you may know that
it is I, the LORD, the God of Israel, who call you by your name." So Judy, have you received any treasures of darkness? Do you
hold them close to your heart? Take them out and meditate on them? Give thanks
to the Lord, who is good, for them?
jt: Actually this promise is
given to Cyrus King of Persia - not to you or I and these treasures were
probably in the treasury of Babylon who the Persians were to
conquer.
I am curious about how you
reconcile your interpretation of Isaiah 45 about the 'treasures of darkness"
etc. with "God is the Father of Lights in whom there is no variableness
or shadow of turning" (James 1:17).
Grace and Peace,
Judy
