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Response to my portion:'what Jesus says about it'
(to read:my particular understanding'interpretation of..) Amen by the way
as He was, is and, will be the
truth. That was Karl Barth's point in the fictitious
interview.
KB: The short answer is
not always. But it's more complicated than that. I'll get to that, but for now
let me just say that it contains quite a few errors of fact. The best that you
can say in that regard is that it is true as a whole.
So Karl Barth is smarter than God? He
knows facts that are not in God's Word?
Stu: What are we to do,
then--- if it contains errors !?
KB: You are placing your faith in the text of the bible, printed in a
book. The book an object made of paper, ink and a cover. You want to be careful not to worship such an object, for it's not God.
It's just a book.
This is
not just paper, ink, and a cover - It is the Word of God about
which the Psalmist wrote "I will praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and
for thy truth, for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy
name" I sure am thankful that the Jews had better sense than Karl Barth
or we would all be up the creek without a paddle.
Stu: But that's all we
have.
KB: Not at all. If you can feel the spirit moving in you, you have faith
in Jesus Christ.
This is
Barth's standard of faith? What if it is a spirit of anti-Christ moving
in you? True faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God; How
can you know what kind of spirit is moving in you apart from the Word of
God? - How do you know it is the holy one? Being led by
spirits and feelings is following after sensuality.
Stu: I don't see the
connection.
KB: [ picking up the
bible] Listen to this, from Jesus, in John 14:26. " I will send you the Holy
Spirit, who will teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance
whatsoever I have said said to you."
Aside from scripture Jesus has said nothing to
our generation Lance - so where do you go from here? Do you just wait to
feel some spirit moving in you? Wait for some existential
encounter?
Stu: So what's true is
not the text itself, it's the existential encounter
with the Holy Spirit, during the reading of the text, through which God's
message is transmitted to us.
Not as I like it - but what Jesus says about
it. He's either the Truth or He isn't. Sadly it appears His
Words don't carry much weight these days in some
circles. As for DavH's observation - why would you think that
these are Christian ppl Dave? Jesus told
the 'sons of thunder' who wanted to call down fire on some Samaritans that
"they didn't know what spirit they were of" so what has changed?
Apparently the disciples repented because they continued on with Him.
Ppl who are eager to consign others to hell these days most likely have
an anger problem. Sharon Rocha told Scott Peterson that the devil
wouldn't even have him and one of Laci's siblings said they hoped he would
burn in hell. So far I've seen no indication that this family are
Christian - so anger and grief over their loss is understandable.
God is glorified however, when a crime is committed against a 'believer' and
they publicly forgive; or as we saw just recently in Georgia where a
young widow apprehended by a rapist who had just killed five ppl was able to
stay calm and read passages from The Purpose Driven Life to him because of
her faith in Christ; this is the fruit of righteousness.
jt
OK, 'as you like it'.
Not so Lance, I have it on good authority that
it is out of the abundance that fills the heart that the mouth speaks
(Matt 12:34, Luke 6:45) - Discernment
101 jt
'They' are, in reality, saying/meaning what
you've ascribed to them. Their hearts are more
gracious than their words, however.
DAVEH:
My latest post is in GREEN......
DAVEH: Not at all Izzy. I see Christians
as being eager when they use a phrase like "I hope you
burn in hell" when they disagree with the actions or beliefs of
others. While you may not have had such feelings about non
Christians, Izzy....I suspect there are a lot of Christians who do
feel that way. I quick net search and found numerous
references to such eager Christians, Izzy. Here's an
excerpt....
The "misunderstood" ADF headline incited over
3000 hate messages to the school, ranging from the more benign, "I
hope you burn in Hell for all eternity," to the more sinister late
night calls like, "I know where you live and you work at that God
forsaken school." We had two sheriffs full time on campus for two
months, and it scared the daylights out of our children.
.........Do you think there have been any TTers who've
hoped for such, Izzy? If so, I would suggest they
meet the eager definition.
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