DAVEH says: nor does he discuss to my satisfaction the
oneness of God as it applies to man as found in Jn 17:21.
JN 17:21, Speaks of the INDWELLING of God
IN His people. Notice also it says "ONE IN" JN 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father,
art IN me, and I IN thee, that they also may be one IN
us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
This can not mean "one in purpose" for Jesus says the Father is
IN him and He is IN the Father.
INDWELLING JN 14:10 Believest
thou not that I am IN the Father, and the Father IN me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father
that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
JN 10:30 I and my Father are one.
The Jews pick up stones to stone him (v. 31) Jesus asks them
why (v. 32), and they answer, "because that
thou, being a man, makest thyself God" (v. 33). They
understood this as claiming to be God. Again it can not mean "one in
purpose", Jesus was claiming to be God AND IN God that
you may know and understand that the Father is IN me, and I IN
the Father." (v. 38)
Jesus says the Fathers "men" are his and his "men" are the
Fathers JN 17:10 all mine are thine, and thine
are mine
Jesus says John 14:9: "he that hath seen
me hath seen the Father."
Jesus is the IMAGE of the invisible God Col
1:15 image of the invisible God (men of Flesh & Bone are NOT invisible)
Jesus is the EXPRESS "IMAGE" of his person Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the
express image of his person
Jesus shared the same "glory" as the father
before the world was JN 17 And now, O Father,
glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had
with thee before the world was.
IN Jesus dwells ALL the fulness of the GODHEAD
Col 2:9 For IN him dwelleth ALL
the fulness of the Godhead bodily. verse 10 tells us we are
COMPLETE in Jesus, Whatever the Godhead is it is ALL available in
Jesus! Verse 10 ALL power dwells in Jesus also.
Jesus being
eternally the IMAGE and FORM of God, at a point in time, lowered
himself (not progressed) to become the LIKENESS on MAN! If he became
"made in the Likeness of men" he could not have been in that LIKENESS
before that point in time. He was God who
became a MAN not a man who became a "god" He
was God, who became manifest in the Flesh 1 Tim 3:16 Ph 2:6-7
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with
God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a
servant, and was made in the likeness of men
Christ IN you?
Col 1;27 Christ IN you,
the hope of glory
2 Co 13:5 Examine yourselves,
whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know
ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is IN you,
except ye be reprobates?
Ep 3:17 That
Christ may DWELL in your hearts by faith
No Christ IN
you? Then you are a REPROBATE!
You do not
have to wait; His GLORY is available NOW!
2 Thes 2:14 Whereunto
he called you by our gospel,
to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus
Christ.
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH: I also find it curious that the author does
not discuss the plural meaning of Elohim, nor does he address some key
passages such as Mt 5:48 nor does he discuss to my satisfaction the
oneness of God as it applies to man as found in Jn 17:21. Likewise, he
doesn't address the nature of the Godhead very well. In short, there
is a lot I find lacking in this rather lengthy summary.
I will try to keep it short & to the point
Gen 1:26 "And God said, Let us make
man in our image, after our likeness"
The main verb as well as the pronouns are all plural. This
would indicate that God is the "Us" and "Our" who is speaking.
God uses the plural in REFERENCE to his
"IMAGE & LIKENESS"!
In the Hebrew the singular form for God is Eloah
The Hebrew plural is Elohim
To refer to two the Hebrew could have used the dual form Elohiayim
Gen 1:27 "So God created man in his
own image"
God then creates man in his image singular not the
"our image" of "plural gods"
USE OF ECHAD INSTEAD OF YACHID
The hebrew word ECHAD expresses a compound oneness not a
absolute one as expressed by Yachid
Gen. 1:5: The yom echad (first day) is a combination
of two things - the evening and the morning.
"a single [echad] cluster of
grapes" Numbers 13:23
"they will become one [echad] flesh."
Genesis 2:24
Adam and Eve became "one flesh" but they were both still separate
individuals. We see them as two but God says they are one. Obviously
they did not "become" one in purpose, they became ONE FLESH! There is
something you keep missing here.
The Jewish SHEMA Du
6:4 "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord"
KJV Jehovah is translated Lord
KJV Elohim is translated as God
So it could be translated
"Jehovah our Elohim is ONE (ECHAD)
Jehovah"
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH:
Whew! That is a lot of stuff, Perry. After reading through it
though, I find much I'd dispute, starting with.......
G-3: Jesus is clearly not the Son of God in a literal
sense, i.e., He was not physically procreated by
God
........As you might suspect Perry, I do believe Jesus is clearly and
literally, the Son of God.
I also find it curious that the author does not discuss the plural
meaning of Elohim, nor does he address some key passages such as Mt
5:48 nor does he discuss to my satisfaction the oneness of God as it
applies to man as found in Jn 17:21. Likewise, he doesn't address the
nature of the Godhead very well. In short, there is a lot I find
lacking in this rather lengthy summary.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
The mormon jesus is NOT the Jesus of the Bible, the one we
Christians worship. Check out this link for details:
http://www.equip.org/free/DT160.pdf
Perry
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