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------------------------------------------------------- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >Subject: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 26, Issue 69 >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:15:16 +0100 > >Send ubuntu-uk mailing list submissions to > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-uk digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: suck it and see (Chris Rowson) > 2. Re: suck it and see (Mark Jose) > 3. Re: suck it and see (Andy) > 4. Re: Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware Suppliers > (Ashley Smith) > 5. Re: Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware Suppliers > (Robin Hall) > 6. What's happened to all the Linux Mags? "WHSmiths Watch" > (Howard Berry) > 7. Re: What's happened to all the Linux Mags? "WHSmiths Watch" > (Jim Kissel) > 8. Re: What's happened to all the Linux Mags? "WHSmiths Watch" > (Sean Miller) > 9. Re: What's happened to all the Linux Mags? "WHSmiths Watch" > (Paul Tansom) > 10. Unreal Tournament (was Re: suck it and see) (Josh Blacker) > 11. Re: What's happened to all the Linux Mags? "WHSmiths Watch" > (Chris Rowson) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:18:55 +0100 >From: "Chris Rowson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see >To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Me too, I tried installing it too and the installation finishes with > > > > You need to configure ORCA by changing /etc/orca.conf. > > Once you're happy with that setup, you can start the > > daemon by typing /etc/init.d/orca start''. > > > > > > When I try to configure /etc/orca.conf there's nothing there! > > > >I stand corrected - typing orca creates the file. > >On first impressions (and this may just be because I don't know how to >use the software properly) Orca seems pretty poor. > >For instance, when I hover the mouse over a menu, Orca doesn't >verbalise anything - It only indicates the availability of a menu >option when I click on it to activate it. > >Part of my day job, exposes me to some accessibility Windows software >like ZoomText (and I forget the other one we use tbh), but it seems >much more advanced than Orca. > >Does Orca work better when it's all set up nicely then, or is it >really not very good? > >Chris > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:21:23 +0100 >From: Mark Jose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see >To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >On Thursday 21 June 2007 22:56, Chris Rowson wrote: > > > A most interesting mail Ian. To familiarise myself with the issues I > > > decided to take up the challenge of installing gnome-orca! > > > > Me too, I tried installing it too and the installation finishes with > > > > You need to configure ORCA by changing /etc/orca.conf. > > Once you're happy with that setup, you can start the > > daemon by typing /etc/init.d/orca start''. > > > > > > When I try to configure /etc/orca.conf there's nothing there! > >At least you got further than me! I had various errors, probably related to >my >trying to install orca on Kubuntu. I have Ubuntu on my main system running >in >a VM, so I shall see how it works there before I start installing the Gnome >stuff which I suspect is missing from the KDE version and needed for orca. > >Mark > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:26:51 +0100 >From: Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see >To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >On 21/06/07, Ian Pascoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In fact here's a challenge for you all to do on those rainy evenings. >Get > > Orca up and running - it's part of the Gnome desktop from 6.06 onwards - > > turn your monitors off, no cheating now, and have a go at doing some of >your > > normal tasks to see what I mean. > >Well that is an experience I certainly do NOT want to repeat. > >Open Synaptic and installed gnome-orca, (ORCA seemed to have nothing >to do with screen reading, it does something with routers and SMTP I >think). > >I typed "orca" in a terminal and it muttered something about Braille >and nothing happened. > >I turned on assistive technology support in preferences and logged out >and logged back in again. > >Checking preferences it said screen reader was unavailable (darn) > >So I ran "orca" from a terminal. Huge mistake, catastrophic mistake, >one of the worst things I have ever done in Linux[0]. > >What did it do? Displayed a message about Braille, displayed some >trace backs for something that looked like python (something about get >voices failing). > >And the froze, but not only did it freeze, it froze the terminal and >it froze all the commands. I could move my cursor but could not click >on anything. Well nuts to this I shall kill it,Ctrl-C in it's >terminal. Nothing, hmm Alt-F2 to get a command line, nope nothing. Ok >this looks serious time to break out the big guns Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get >me console access, wtf that's didn't work either. > >Push the power button in a hope that at some level the kernel will see >it and perform a shutdown, nope, Push and hold and power the system >off. > >Reboot, login and oddly Orca is started for me ands works, well I say >works but really I mean it does something. Move my cursor around and >hear a garbled voice. I can make out it says something about system >settings, as I had my monitor a notice that my cursor is on my System >menu. > >Not wanting to cheat I turn the monitor off. > >Right now to open FireFox, helpfully I have a shortcut to this on the >toolbar. I wave my mouse upwards and get the system menu again, right >a bit nothing, right a bit more, nothing until I get what sounds like >"terminal" Ah must be the terminal shortcut. Wave mouse around a bit >more I must be near, and for the life of me all I get is the system >menu description. NOT HELPFUL. > >Stuff this, Alt-F2 it mutters something (I forget what) I hit 'f' it >says 'f', I hit 'i' it says 'f' (odd), hit 'r' 'e', it says 'fire' ah >makes sense, I boot up FireFox. > >It says something I don't understand, then it says profile chooser, I hit >enter. > >Now It says Welcome to Ubuntu, or something similar and "HTML BOX" (or >similar), that's a fine description of the Ubuntu start page for you. >I try to find the URL bar with the tab key, nothing, nothing, toolbar, >ah close nothing, something I can't quite work out. type in gmails >address, it won't describe the page and hitting tab is not helping. > >I give in. Turn screen on and it appears I typed the URL in the search >box. Oops. > >Am I doing something wrong here? > >Andy > >[0] Other stupid things I have done i Linux: >1) Used ndiswrapper with an unsupported windows driver (hung the kernel) >2) wrote a kernel module for an arm system and did the IO access a bit >wrong, crashed the kernel. > > >-- >Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open >windows. > -- Adam Heath > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:53:47 +0100 >From: "Ashley Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware > Suppliers >To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >http://www.clown-fish.com/shop/ >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20070622/e9e83a14/attachment-0001.htm > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:27:18 +0100 >From: Robin Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware > Suppliers >To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >bill wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:27:28 +0100, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > >> > >> > >>>> I'm about to start a job in the real-world (after having been forced > >>>> to use Windows, I get to sell, support and consult on Linux from the > >>>> 2nd July!) and one of the things I will need as part of my job is a > >>>> solid supplier of hardware that I know will run linux and run it >well. > >>>> > >>>> As dell are refusing to sell Linux-based computers outside of the US > >>>> (even the redhat/SLED servers seem to only be sold over there), can > >>>> someone supply me with contact details (a website will do nicely!) of > >>>> a company that are preferably based in the UK and supply > >>>> servers/desktops that will run linux or come pre-installed with >Linux? > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Best of luck in your new job. There are, of course, suppliers of > >>> computers who sell them without pre-installed systems. Perhaps one of > >>> those could be interested. I have had excellent service from World of > >>> Computers who are in Cambridge. > >>> > >>> > >> Thanks for the heads-up, do they have a website? > >> > >> M. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Well done! we are all pleased for you, and look at CCL computers they > > make then without OS installed if required..... > > Bill Smith > > >I have had very good service from Novatech in Portsmith >(www.novatech.co.uk) >Robin Hall > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:40:23 +0100 >From: "Howard Berry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [ubuntu-uk] What's happened to all the Linux Mags? "WHSmiths > Watch" >To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hello everyone, >As the is a nation wide listing, I wondered if my experience was >replicated in the rest of the country. >The plethora of "buy new cool Vista magazines" seems to elbowing the >three Linux magazines out of existence in Wolverhampton and >Bridgnorth. >My main concern is that my favourite magazine "Linux User and >Developer", to which I have subscribed for a couple of years, seems to >have gone very ominously silent: no replies to emails, no replies to >telephone messages. The web site is still functioning although cobwebs >seem to be gathering on it. >Is it me that they don't like, or have they gone belly down?? > > >-- >Regard, >Howard >Supporting Open Source Software. >http://www.fsf.org/ >And Open Standards >http://www.oasis-open.org/who/ > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:51:58 +0100 >From: Jim Kissel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's happened to all the Linux Mags? > "WHSmiths Watch" >To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > >Howard Berry wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > As the is a nation wide listing, I wondered if my experience was > > replicated in the rest of the country. > > The plethora of "buy new cool Vista magazines" seems to elbowing the > > three Linux magazines out of existence in Wolverhampton and > > Bridgnorth. > > My main concern is that my favourite magazine "Linux User and > > Developer", to which I have subscribed for a couple of years, seems to > > have gone very ominously silent: no replies to emails, no replies to > > telephone messages. The web site is still functioning although cobwebs > > seem to be gathering on it. > > Is it me that they don't like, or have they gone belly down?? > >I've been having similar problems with the WH Smiths in Camberley, >Surrey. All three used to be stocked, but when I subscribed to Linux >Format, and dropped it from WHS's in-store ordering service, they >helpfully dropped all three magazines. Both the in-store ordering >service and on the shelves. 3 months and many complaints got Linux >Format, and Linux User back on the shelves and back in my folder. > >Unix U&D is been a problem for more than three months. I finally got a >helpful sole (WH Smith employee) to dig into the problem. Unix U&D was >a monthly but apparently has switched to 6x per year. The local WHS >informed me that the next issue of Unix U&D will be out 29th of June. > >We live in hope > > > > > >-- >Simple effective migration to Open Source based computing > >Jim Kissel >Open Source Migrations Limited >w: http://www.osml.eu >e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >p: +44(0) 8703 301044 >m: +44(0) 7976 411 679 > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 8 >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:00:43 +0100 >From: Sean Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's happened to all the Linux Mags? > "WHSmiths Watch" >To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >WHSmith in Wells (Somerset) had all three when I went there sometime >last week... > >Sean > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 9 >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:07:47 +0100 >From: Paul Tansom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's happened to all the Linux Mags? > "WHSmiths Watch" >To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >** Howard Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-06-22 10:42]: > > Hello everyone, > > As the is a nation wide listing, I wondered if my experience was > > replicated in the rest of the country. > > The plethora of "buy new cool Vista magazines" seems to elbowing the > > three Linux magazines out of existence in Wolverhampton and > > Bridgnorth. > > My main concern is that my favourite magazine "Linux User and > > Developer", to which I have subscribed for a couple of years, seems to > > have gone very ominously silent: no replies to emails, no replies to > > telephone messages. The web site is still functioning although cobwebs > > seem to be gathering on it. > > Is it me that they don't like, or have they gone belly down?? >** end quote [Howard Berry] > >I can't speak for WHSmith as I am rarely near one to check, but the >local Tesco Extra (North Harbour, Portsmouth) carries both Linux >Magazine and Linux Format. The local Asda used to have Linux Format, but >trimmed down their offerings in general a year or so back now iirc. >WHSmith in Havant used to a have the 3 Linux Magazines, but I think the >last time I was there to buy one was August last year - nope, I tell a >lie, October last year and then January this year; the joys of doing my >annual accounts - and I can claim them as expenses :) > >-- >Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ >==================================================================== >Aptanet Ltd. | Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 >Registered Office: >Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants., PO7 6NU > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 10 >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:12:52 +0100 >From: "Josh Blacker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Unreal Tournament (was Re: suck it and see) >To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi > >On 6/21/07, Mark Jose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Which version of UT Josh? UT2004 has a Linux installer on the DVD - it >is a > > shell script which will install the game for youand UT2003 also includes >a > > Linux installer. > > Earlier versions are catered for either by installing via Wine or, >better > > still, using the Icculus scripts which are obtained from his web site at > > icculus.org. Those scripts need Wine, but tweak the settings per game >for > > you. Very nice and straightforward. > > I play the original UT quite often (I find it more fun than the later > > versions) but occasionally play 2004. > > Incidentally, Icculus also wrote the installers used on the official >UT2003/4 > > Linux installs and wrote the installers which the now defunct Loki Games > > used. > > > > Mark > >I've got Unreal Tourmanent (GOTY) installed on an external hard drive >and have lost (lots of moving to and from uni this year and now we're >packed up to move home, and they're not in any sensible places) the >install disks. On windows I don't need the disks to play. Can I use >this Loki thing to play from an existing install, do you know? > >-- >Josh Blacker > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 11 >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:15:14 +0100 >From: "Chris Rowson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's happened to all the Linux Mags? > "WHSmiths Watch" >To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Here in Hull 'the last bastion of the whippet' I've yet to find a shop >selling Linux mags. > >Chris > > > >------------------------------ > >-- >ubuntu-uk mailing list >ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > > >End of ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 26, Issue 69 >***************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Tell Hotmail about an email that changed your life! http://www.emailbritain.co.uk/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
