Stephen: I, of course, wasn't on the porch and didn't witness what happened, but I find it hard to believe that these nice young girls would behave the way you have described without some type of provocation. This sounds a lot like the situation described by Pete in which he acted agressively towards some local youths only to find out that they were well prepared to defend themselves.
Although my day-to-day experience with today's teenagers is limited to my trolley ride back and forth to Center City, I can say, without exception, that the behavior of the teenagers that I ride with is just terrific. They are, almost without exception, kind, courteous, and, of course, well spoken. (I know that Bill Cosby has given some well publicized speaches complaining about African-American youth, but I, for one, think he is talking crazy!). More than once, a pleasant, freshly scrubbed teenager, knowing that I find it difficult to read the paper while standing, has offered me his or her seat. Anyway, thanks for the kind words concerning my postings. Jonathan ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Stephen Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Stephen Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:23:59 -0500 > > I think you may have deserved the beating your received for acting so > > aggressively to these young boys. > >i think you and sam are way off here. when someone initiates a mugging, >that's pretty darn aggressive. they clearly set the tone and i think it >was very reasonable for pete to push back. unfortunately in this case >it ended up badly. > > > I am sure their response was not intended to be vicious, but instead > > was an appropriate act of self-defense. > >the guys were carrying bats! you think they were just heading to the >ball field to hit a few and just decided to mug pete because he was >there? they were clearly out to cause problems and unfortunately pete >ended up a target. this was a vicious attack. there is nothing >'self-defense' about continuing to hit a guy who's obviously unconscious. > > > You should be ashamed of yourself. > >jonathan, i think you should be ashamed of yourself. i usually respect >your postings. i feel this one is way off the mark. > >btw, a few weeks ago (around 9pm at night), a friend was attacked on her >porch at the corner of 45th and Chester. my friend was sitting on her >porch drinking some tea and 6 high school aged girls approached her. 3 >stayed on the street apparently as lookouts while the other 3 came onto >her porch and started to push her around. she was fortunately able to >get into her house AND keep them out -- the 3 tried to push their way >into her house as well. do not underestimate the violent nature of many >kids these days... > >happy saturday, >stephen > > >Jonathan Cass wrote: >> Pete: >> >> I agree with Sam on this one. I think you may have deserved the >> beating your received for acting so aggressively to these young boys. >> I am sure their response was not intended to be vicious, but instead >> was an appropriate act of self-defense. The part about beating you >> unconscious, although obviously a bit over the top, is a merely an >> indication of the fear your actions aroused in these boys. You >> should be ashamed of yourself. >> >> Jonathan A. Cass >> >> -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Samuel Nicolary >> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:19 PM To: Pete Coyle Cc: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] attempted mugging on 4600 >> Hazel Ave >> >> >> There is more to being a badass than: 'I pushed him in the chest and >> almost knocked him down, and yelled "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"' >> >> Maybe that was your problem. You gotta be able to take the licks as >> good as you can give them - and/or vice versa. >> >> Live free or die. >> >> -- Sam Nicolary >> >> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Pete Coyle wrote: >> >> >>> I think the do not fight back advice is some of the best advice >>> ever given on this list. I've put myself in many a dodgy situation >>> in my youth. I've been in dangerous parts of Philly, NYC, Miami. >>> Often drunk, or more. One time I decided to escape the city, and >>> spent a summer living in Ithaca NY, and spend my time drawing >>> comics/swimming in gorges. Around 7pm, on a tuesday, in a town >>> full of Phish fans... I got mugged. A couple of high school kids >>> jumped my friends and I. I figured being a badass from a real city >>> that I could intimidate my attacker. I pushed him in the chest and >>> almost knocked him down, and yelled "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" He beat me >>> unconscious with a baseball bat. I don't remember much of the >>> beating, but apparently it was pretty brutal. It took me months to >>> recover. >>> >>> Stories where people intimidate thieves are very inspiring, but >>> dont take the chance. >>> >>> People who use weapons on other people suck. >>> >>> Pete ---- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the >>> list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, >>> see <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. >>> >> >> ---- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list >> named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see >> <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. >> >> ---- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list >> named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see >> <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. >---- >You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the >list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see ><http://www.purple.com/list.html>. > ---- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." 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