On Jan 25, 2006, at 6:22 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:

Thank you for the summary. I had one comment (really just one, this time!)

Horace Heffner wrote:
Mass in the conventional spacetime metric is considered  invariant.

There's a semantic problem here. "An invariant" is a well-defined mathematical concept. However, it's just that -- a mathematical concept. Saying "this is an _invariant_" doesn't mean it's some simple physical property which always has the same value.


Wheeler and Taylor say the mass of any isolated system is invariant. In other words:

   m^2 = E^2 + p^2

in one frame then

   m^2 = (E')^2 - (p')^2

in another for that isolated subsystem. Problem is, no subsystem of mass is isolated. Stuff comes in and out of the vacuum constantly. A significant portion of the magnetic field of the proton comes from strange quark pairs popping in and out of the vacuum, for example. Acceleration affects how things pop in and out of the vacuum and how long they stick around.


It's easy to forget that relativity theory says _nothing_ about what is "real" and what is not.



Who's relativity? Certainly not mine! You make it sound like there is only one version! 8^)


With all that said, when someone refers to the "invariant mass" they mean the rest mass.

Not Wheeler and Taylor.

Horace Heffner

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