No one is starting up a crusade, Esa. I certainly don't think of anyone on this list as bumbling! Perhaps jumping to conclusions a bit too soon, but not bumbling! :-) I really do respect the knowledge that is contained in this group... 'Banned' for what??? Some of the comments made on this list about Sean and Steorn's intentions are far worse than anything I wrote... Granted, perhaps the way I chose to express myself was a bit provocative, but it seems to me that most on this collective get a bit peeved, including myself, when a discovery gets shot down even before it has a chance of proving itself... I think most here are bothered by the cheap shots leveled at LENR, by people who haven't bothered to read the recent research. It just seemed to me that some here are behaving in a similar way. I can understand why some are skeptical now. Steorn had egg on its face in 2007. However, Sean takes full responsibility for that decision because the other engineers at Steorn said they didn't understand the details enough to do a public demo. That was a very tough lesson to learn, and you can bet that Sean wasn't going to make that mistake again! So they took another 2+ years to do the experiments to understand what they were dealing with... and here we are today. Be patient and let them divulge their technology the way they see fit... There are MANY things that Steorn is doing that is quite different from scammers: 1) They SPECIFICALLY laid out EXACTLY how they were going to proceed to demonstrate their technology 2) They have followed that plan, with one minor delay due to very bad weather. No other excuses... 3) They have instruments to show their measurements; they don't just expect you to take their word for it. 4) They will be letting people bring in their own instruments and make their own measurements; I've never seen this before, well except perhaps with Thane's work. 5) The thermal imaging was done by an objective third party 6) The calorimetry will also be done by an objective third party Each demo is meant to show one or two specific, important elements of the technology, and then to allow some time for a polite, reasonable critique and rebuttal on their Forum so they hope to answer any of the rational criticisms. So far, this is exactly what has occurred. Whether or not one accepts Sean's rebuttals is entirely up to them... but at least he is responding in a direct, polite manner, and giving out some very specific details... enough for replications to be making good progress in a very short time. Just because this plan for demonstrating their technology isn't the way you'd go about it, doesn't mean they are being devious or disingenuous. Yes, agreed... they aren't dragging this out like many others... and soon we'll be thru the demos and better able to make our own decisions as to the reality of it all.
-Mark _____ From: Esa Ruoho [mailto:esaru...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:33 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Back EMF: Sean may be right On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Mark Iverson <zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: This is ANOTHER key element WHICH Sean HAS ALSO MENTIONED, to quote him, "...and by very careful and specific positioning of the coils..." But then, you guys wouldn't know that since you prefer to spend your valuable time speculating here instead of trying to educate yourselves. Now now, Mark, let this not turn into another Paul Lowrance issue, where someone starts up a crusade against "those bumbling idiots on vortex-list" and gets himself banned. Let's be civil now. This is simply a case of a few people deciding that it's all smoke'n'mirrors, and therefore to devote any time to it would be a waste of time.. and then taking the time to write about how much of a scam it is. I value your input to this list, so let's not go down the road of who was bought by who, who is x and who is y. It'll only take a while for Steorn/Sean's claims to be meaningful or not. I see on another list, Rick Friedrich is already digging into Steorn being a total Bedini rip-off, you can see such conversations between Friedrich and McCarthy at: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-8199-Breakthrough-Energy-Examiner~y2010m1d13-Steorn-gives-COP-gt- 1-demo Again, I have no opinion on this, but have a firm feeling that Steorn have purposefully kept from immersing themselves in Free Energy -scene, they also don't know what Friedrich/Bedini have, and thus I would take the "net worth of your advice/knowledge, since you give it for 0$, is, obviously, 0$" comment from McCarthy towards Friedrich, with a pinch of salt. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.142/2623 - Release Date: 01/15/10 23:35:00
