We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components rather than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5 years on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the bad one. But that very rarely happens anyhow.
Bob- -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hooper Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these. Most of the shops around here have shifted from doing system builds to becoming Value-Added Resellers. Even with "servers" it seems best to go with a name brand, what with HP's 3 year warranties and all. And, let's face it, it's nice being able to hold someone else accountable. Regards, Charles Mike Hammett wrote: > How can you be a system builder anymore? > > I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on the low > quality ones to justify the support... but then Dell's $400 desktop will > work just fine for many people for 5 years. The only market I've found for > system builders are "servers", gaming machines, and other custom one-off > applications. I can't get the hardware for a decent system for less than > $600, then you have to add Windows, etc. > > I've found that buying from NewEgg or ProVantage or TigerDirect or... is > significantly cheaper than D&H, ASI, MA Labs, etc. often to the point where > after profit, the NewEgg device is less expensive than my cost from a > "distributor". > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Steven Barnes" <st...@pcswin.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:53 AM > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives > > >> As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18 >> years. I built over 200 systems last year. I had 2 I had to RMA. I >> have returned 20% of Wd and 30% of hitachi. I will stay with Seagate. >> Get a good distributor like ASI . >> >> Steve >> >> On 4/20/10, Adam Kennedy <adamkenn...@omnicity.net> wrote: >> >>> Where do you guys buy your drives from that you have had such good luck >>> with >>> WD and not Seagate? Since 1994 I have had countless failures with Maxtor >>> and >>> Western Digital disks. In fact just a few weeks ago I had TWO Western >>> Digitals fail in the same server and they were Raid Edition disks! In my >>> lifetime I have had maybe two Seagate drives fail. >>> >>> It also makes a huge difference, with any brand, what model of drive you >>> buy. If you buy a cheap version of any of them then you are just asking >>> for >>> issues. Western digital I would stick with anything "Black edition" or >>> better. Seagate I would stick with anything XT or better. Avoid the >>> cheapy >>> versions of anything, most of the time those cheapy disks are not tested >>> before leaving the factory. >>> >>> -- >>> Adam Kennedy >>> Network Engineer >>> Omnicity, Inc. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of RickG >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:15 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>> >>> In 25+ years of experience, Seagates & Maxtors have always been a let >>> down. Western Digital is the best. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robert West >>> <robert.w...@just-micro.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I've had really good luck with the Seagates for a long time now but >>>> china-mart finally caught up to them. >>>> >>>> Bob- >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>> >>>> Friends dont let friends use Seagates :) >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Robert West >>>> <robert.w...@just-micro.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> FYI. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to the >>>>> >>>> terabyte) >>>> >>>>> and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they have >>>>> been >>>>> having firmware problems for awhile on these drives and you should >>>>> backup >>>>> your data and send them back to Seagate via RMA. The 7200.11 can be >>>>> usually found on the top left hand corner. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've found that even in a raid, they can fail pretty much at the same >>>>> time >>>>> and thus thwarting the protection of the raid. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've talked to one other WISPA member who had this problem (As well as >>>>> my >>>>> own experience with them - 5 sent back already on my own) and thought >>>>> others may want to look to see what's in their servers. They were >>>>> flashed >>>>> with the wrong firmware and experience a countdown of sorts then >>>>> >>>> eventually >>>> >>>>> fail. Again, if in a raid, they will essentially fail at the same time >>>>> if >>>>> installed at the same time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have went as far as RMAing one that showed no issues and they >>>>> replaced >>>>> that one as well with no questions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Robert West >>>>> >>>>> Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >>>>> >>>>> 740-335-7020 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Logo5 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ---- >>>> >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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