I've only seen a CPU go bad as a result of a failed CPU cooling fan. As for RAM, I've seen it go bad in a 10 year old PC. I usually stick with Crucial (Micron) brand.
- Charles Josh Luthman wrote: > Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this. > > I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks DOA. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue > that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West > <robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote: > > >> We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components >> rather >> than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5 >> years >> on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the bad >> one. But that very rarely happens anyhow. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Charles Hooper >> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >> >> Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these. >> Most of the shops around here have shifted from doing system builds to >> becoming Value-Added Resellers. >> >> Even with "servers" it seems best to go with a name brand, what with >> HP's 3 year warranties and all. And, let's face it, it's nice being able >> to hold someone else accountable. >> >> Regards, >> Charles >> >> >> Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> How can you be a system builder anymore? >>> >>> I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on the low >>> quality ones to justify the support... but then Dell's $400 desktop will >>> work just fine for many people for 5 years. The only market I've found >>> >> for >> >>> system builders are "servers", gaming machines, and other custom one-off >>> applications. I can't get the hardware for a decent system for less than >>> $600, then you have to add Windows, etc. >>> >>> I've found that buying from NewEgg or ProVantage or TigerDirect or... is >>> significantly cheaper than D&H, ASI, MA Labs, etc. often to the point >>> >> where >> >>> after profit, the NewEgg device is less expensive than my cost from a >>> "distributor". >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Steven Barnes" <st...@pcswin.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:53 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>> >>> >>> >>>> As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18 >>>> years. I built over 200 systems last year. I had 2 I had to RMA. I >>>> have returned 20% of Wd and 30% of hitachi. I will stay with Seagate. >>>> Get a good distributor like ASI . >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> On 4/20/10, Adam Kennedy <adamkenn...@omnicity.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Where do you guys buy your drives from that you have had such good luck >>>>> with >>>>> WD and not Seagate? Since 1994 I have had countless failures with >>>>> >> Maxtor >> >> >>>>> and >>>>> Western Digital disks. In fact just a few weeks ago I had TWO Western >>>>> Digitals fail in the same server and they were Raid Edition disks! In >>>>> >> my >> >>>>> lifetime I have had maybe two Seagate drives fail. >>>>> >>>>> It also makes a huge difference, with any brand, what model of drive >>>>> >> you >> >>>>> buy. If you buy a cheap version of any of them then you are just asking >>>>> for >>>>> issues. Western digital I would stick with anything "Black edition" or >>>>> better. Seagate I would stick with anything XT or better. Avoid the >>>>> cheapy >>>>> versions of anything, most of the time those cheapy disks are not >>>>> >> tested >> >>>>> before leaving the factory. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Adam Kennedy >>>>> Network Engineer >>>>> Omnicity, Inc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> >> On >> >>>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:15 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>> >>>>> In 25+ years of experience, Seagates & Maxtors have always been a let >>>>> down. Western Digital is the best. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robert West >>>>> <robert.w...@just-micro.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I've had really good luck with the Seagates for a long time now but >>>>>> china-mart finally caught up to them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>> >> On >> >>>>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 AM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>>> >>>>>> Friends dont let friends use Seagates :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Robert West >>>>>> <robert.w...@just-micro.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> FYI. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> terabyte) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they have >>>>>>> been >>>>>>> having firmware problems for awhile on these drives and you should >>>>>>> backup >>>>>>> your data and send them back to Seagate via RMA. The 7200.11 can >>>>>>> >> be >> >>>>>>> usually found on the top left hand corner. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've found that even in a raid, they can fail pretty much at the same >>>>>>> time >>>>>>> and thus thwarting the protection of the raid. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've talked to one other WISPA member who had this problem (As well >>>>>>> >> as >> >> >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> own experience with them - 5 sent back already on my own) and >>>>>>> >> thought >> >>>>>>> others may want to look to see what's in their servers. They were >>>>>>> flashed >>>>>>> with the wrong firmware and experience a countdown of sorts then >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> eventually >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> fail. 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