If that is the case in Ox Herding, (I don't know what that is, please provide link), then it coincide with our school's teaching. After Satori, then one liberates every sentient being. In other words, enter the mud and grow the lotus. Or cultivate the merit, on the way to Buddhahood. Or the stage of consummation/resolutions. JM
Bill Smart wrote: > > Mike and Edgar, > > First there is a mountain, > Then there is no mountain, > Then there is. > > The last picture in the Ox Herding series is the enlignented being > returning to the market place (everyday life), not ascending to > heaven in a blaze of glory. > > What is after satori? When hungy, I eat. When tired, I sleep. Oh > yeah, and then there's the laundry. > > ...Bill! > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > > > I certainly agree that zazen can have the benefits that you state, > > having done quite a bit of sitting myself. However my point is > that > > there are other ways which in my case at least are now more > effective > > in keeping me on the path. Basically just constantly remembering > to > > look at reality.... > > > > Now please pardon me, I have to do my laundry! > > > > Best, > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:19 AM, mike brown wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Edgar, > > > > > > In terms of talking about what happens after satori, I like the > > > title of the book 'After the Ecstasy - the Laundry' (forgot the > > > author). To my mind, this does kind of imply the ordinariness of > > > our true, natural state. I think that people here are getting to > > > hung up about what satori is and once experienced is > enlightenment > > > forever. As you know, enlightenment is a moment to moment > > > experience and one can slip from one ox-herding stage to another > in > > > an instance. I think this is the main difference between our way > of > > > thinking. I believe that Zen and the practice of zazen helps to > > > keep a person mindful of their emotions day to day and moment to > > > moment and so helps them recognise the desires and aversions > that > > > lead towards unhappiness. A person who has a spontaneous kensho > or > > > who loses their sense of self in a sporting activity/nature/ > > > listening to music etc. will rarely achieve this a second time > and > > > will almost certainly never intergrate this into a daily > practice > > > designed to 'bring the ox home'. Mike. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
