Gilberto wrote:
> ...Bahais
> making a point of saying "holy war" has been blotted out the book
> especially combined with the idea of progressive revelation, would
> give the impression that they are somehow specifically claiming to be
> less violent than islam. Is that a fair statement?

I've reached the conclusion that I simply don't understand where you're
coming from.  I think that the statement that the Bahá'í Faith is less
violent than Islam is a fair statement if you consider actual actions as
opposed to an abstract consideration of the principles espoused.

> ...it doesn't make sense to compare a pretty statement about
> non-violence from the Bahai writings with the recent suicide bombing
> in Iraq.

Why not?

> You have to look at what the actual teachings of Muhammad and
> the Quran on warfare are and you compare them to what the Bahai
> writings say.

The actual teachings of Muhammad may be one thing, but the facts of 
suicide bombings, beheadings etc. are undeniable.  It may be true that such
actions are a total perversion of the teachings of Muhammad.  That is, in
fact, my understanding.  Nevertheless the fact remains that these actions
have become the public face of Islam.  I think we could discuss how much of
that is a result of Western propaganda.

[on the practice of putting rape victims to death, etc...]
> I don't think this is a religious issue. There is no religious
> justification for this kind of a practice. The way "shame" and "honor"
> play a role in certain societies is basically due to culture not
> religion.

But if the cultures that practice this kind of thing are overwhelmingly
Muslim, is it not fair to assume there's a connection?  And do not religion
and culture intermingle in a thousand ways?  How does one disconnect one
from the other?

> I think if you took North-South developed world- developing world
> issues into account, it would help you see more clearly which issues
> have their root in religion and which have origins elsewhere. 

Perhaps you could help to deepen my understanding in this regard.

Dave Lambert
www.vintagerr.com



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