I started this as a reply to Doug and Jay, and will forthwith reveal a great secret to internet interplay.
If you do really not want a certain topic to be discussed ad infinitum and ad nauseum, do NOT publicly complain about it in yet another off topic email, but instead, simply start discussing the topic you think should be discussed. In other words, to be perfectly straight forward, if you want the subject to change, change the subject. Ignorance is bliss. Now I just gave a first listen to Alan York at www.gardeningforthefuture.com I had to install the latest free RealOne thang, and there was a certain amount of chirping in the system, and I had to use my wife's relatively new computer, but I did get to hear pretty much the whole hour and 49 minutes worth. It was nothing if not entertaining. 'Cows do not shit into horns', LOL! His point 'biodynamics can't solve all our problems' was illustrated with the example that, if you haven't grasped the common sense horticultural principle of 'right place for the right plant' that biodynamics won't save you from your errors, as I understood it. True, but not profound... This weekend I was at a conference on organic vegetable production that was pretty interesting, and finished dynamically on Sunday with an hour and 15 minute talk by Hugh Williams, who also was a dynamic and intertaining speaker. He told of using bonfires, community power and Valerian spray to fight off spring frosts on his apple blossoms in the orchard, and also gave examples of peppering in action. Very focused on practical applications, but refers people to the Agriculture Lectures directly.... I am interested in taking his orchard management workshops this year, offered through the Regional Farm and Food Project. http://www.capital.net/~farmfood/ Frank Teuton