That option exist because that's what you'd use in a Helper, not in the view (ctp) files. It's a lot clearer and faster to just write <div> isn't it? Use $this->Html->div() in your helper, instead of echo '<div>' (which is horrible) IMO. :) Each to his own, I guess, but I prefer to write static layout in HTML.
On Apr 23, 7:09 am, Jeremy Burns <jeremybu...@me.com> wrote: > It begs the question "why does the $this->Html->div() option exist?" if it is > such a bad idea? And $this->Html->para(), and $this->Html->tag() and most of > the rest of the Html helper. > > I have taken the decision to standardise on using it throughout. I write each > page within <?php ?> tags and don't flip out to html unless I really have to > (and that is very rare). It makes my development path quicker, makes cleaner > code and it just works. I haven't seen any noticeable performance hit on my > pages, especially when they are cached correctly. > > Jeremy Burns > jeremybu...@me.com > > On 23 Apr 2010, at 01:22, Ed Propsner wrote: > > > > > > > There was never any doubt that I would ultimately take a hit somewhere ... > > how much of one was really the question. I agree that in a sense you are > > adding an extra step but that's not entirely accurate either. I would think > > to avoid that "extra step" the page would need to be straight html and > > that's it. Your first php tag adds the extra step regardless of what the > > output is. So now I would think that it would hold true for the flip side > > of the coin as well ... think of it as "saving" an extra step. If you know > > part of the page is going to have to be processed through the server anyhow > > why not just start with PHP and stick with it throughout the page instead > > of jumping back and forth from PHP to HTML? > > > Yes, I totally agree that straight PHP requires a bit more overhead but I'm > > still on the fence as far as efficiency goes. > > > - Ed > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Jamie <jamie....@gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree with Miles that you should just use static HTML wherever > > possible. It's just plain faster. If you use PHP to generate your > > HTML, then you're adding an extra step to the process: instead of just > > serving up plain HTML, the PHP parser needs to read the code, > > interpret it, figure out what to do with it, and then output the > > results. Not terribly efficient, especially if all you want is > > "<div>". > > > Like you just said, your file size nearly tripled. You can generate an > > entire website with CakePHP's helpers, sure, but you'll sure take a > > hit in the efficiency department. > > > - Jamie > > > On Apr 22, 4:01 pm, Ed Propsner <crotchf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yep, the entire page is full of 'em ... 8-). I was just goofing around > > > with > > > it ... I wanted to see if the page could really be coded in nothing but > > > cake > > > tags. In the end it turned out to be quite the project to code the entire > > > layout that way (the file size nearly tripled). Why is it that you would > > > suggest using all static divs? I'm contemplating putting it back the way > > > that it was but I'm really not seeing the difference at this point. > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Miles J <mileswjohn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Wait, so your saying you used the HTMLHelper div() method to build > > > > everything? Should just stick with static divs. > > > > > On Apr 22, 2:34 am, Sam Sherlock <sam.sherl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I think its a question of clarity and ease to create maintain views > > > > > > - S > > > > > > On 22 April 2010 09:47, Ed Propsner <crotchf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I'm with ya' on consistency and jumping in and out of php. The > > > > document > > > > > > seems to have a better flow and feel to it now that's it more > > > > > > uniform. > > > > If > > > > > > anything else it was good practice for someone new to Cake :) > > > > > > > - Ed > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:35 AM, Jeremy Burns <jeremybu...@me.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> I have asked myself this question too and posed a similar point (is > > > > using > > > > > >> Cake tags ultimately slower than straightforward html? to which the > > > > answer > > > > > >> was 'probably, yes'). However, I have adopted the Cake tag route > > > > throughout > > > > > >> because (i) it provide consistency, (ii) it means I am not jumping > > > > > >> in > > > > and > > > > > >> out of PHP and (iii) it just feels 'safer' - pass in the right > > > > > >> options > > > > and > > > > > >> out pops the right html. I guess it's a matter of choice? > > > > > > >> Jeremy Burns > > > > > >> jeremybu...@me.com <jeremybu...@mac.com> > > > > > > >> On 22 Apr 2010, at 09:31, Ed Propsner wrote: > > > > > > >> Out of curiosity and perhaps a little boredom I re-scripted my > > > > default.ctp > > > > > >> to completely follow Cake conventions. > > > > > >> From the doctype to the closing html tag there is not a single > > > > > >> conventional html tag on the page. > > > > > >> 95% of my layout is structured with divs in lieu of tables so > > > > > >> there is > > > > > >> quite a bit on the page as far as tags go. > > > > > > >> My question is this ... how much is too much? 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