On Ma, 21 oct 14, 16:55:08, Joel Rees wrote: > > Anyway, if you think about Ric's comment about the movie 2001, well, the > monolith is not subject to being taken apart and analyzed. Dave's > interaction with it is pretty much passive. 2001 is a great movie, very > thought provoking. But I think it encourages a passive attitude towards > things one doesn't understand. > > I'm not much in favor of that attitude.
Me neither, but at least as far as I'm concerned: Sysvrc is anything but transparent to me. It consists of a bunch of shell scripts that are beyond my understanding. And don't tell me shell scripting is easy, I've been following the "bash exorcism" thread on -devel and few other references provided on -user (Unix standards getting quoting wrong?) and just about anyone agrees that beyond a certain size it's much better to rewrite the thing in a real programming language. Systemd unit configuration files are much more understandable for me. I've found everything I needed in the manpages and if the behaviour is not as documented I know how to file bugs. In comparison initscripts are not documented at all except for code comments ("look at the source"? when was this ever considered good documentation). Systemd *is* FLOSS and I'm quite sure that being such a central piece in so many distributions has already attracted many eyeballs. Many more than your average initscript. Is systemd (the project) tightly integrated? Yes, nobody is disputing this. Is it *too* tightly integrated? Many have argued "yes" and that a loosely integrated design would have been better. I'm not even disagreeing with this view. However, so far there's no real contender for systemd: Upstart has buried itself from the start (the weird upside-down dependency model, the CLA, and the Debian Maintainer's insistence to replace sysvinit instead of allowing parallel installation and booting with some init= parameter). OpenRC seems interesting, but it's far from being ready for a distribution like Debian. Same with others, like daemontools, runit, etc. that are even present in the archive, yet not enough people have seriously considered switching to them. uselessd and nosh are still just starting and both look like one-man shows. It's too early to tell if they will be successful or will just fade away as most distros switch to systemd and are reasonably happy with it. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt
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