Romain Beauxis wrote: > You can't get both recent *and* stabilized software. For a solid release > to be done, one needs to hold new improvements for a while.
Yes. But there is a bunch of non-DD people that strongly want to use Debian and prefer the recent software over the stabilized one. With the new laptops coming out every two weeks, having the latest kernel, Xorg or hal is no caprice, it's needed… Debian Testing before the freeze is satisfying for most geeks that run their own laptop only, and not a great bunch of desktops. > I am proud that we can take this time freely from any commercial > constraints. The main problem is that this needs to be explained to users. > Most likely, people want both recent versions and stability, which is just > impossible. (and yes, these sort of issues happen in Ubuntu). Define "people"… I guess that with various user's types, you get various hopes. > Besides, I don't see the polemic with this "upload to unstable or > experimental" issue. I get the impression that some developpers confuse > their own comfort with the interest of the distribution somehow. > > > Romain Maybe the problem comes from the time needed to package and test a new upstream version. Look for example at the upcoming KDE4.2 : KDE4.0 ("public beta") went out in january 2008. Since then and 'because' of the unstable-to-testing pipe, KDE4.0 has only lived in experimental with the big fat blinking red "WARNING" sign above. KDE4 was then hard to test for "testing" users that don't play with apt-pinning and KDE4 will not be part of Lenny (even if it could…), roughly 15 months after its release. That's not a problem from Debian stable users, who need a "stable before all" release. But for the FLOSS community and the geeky users, I guess that it is in fact a problem. With a less jungle experimental which you could trust as the unfrozen unstable or with a constantly unfrozen unstable, this would not be an issue. Anyway, time to sleep. 'night ! OdyX -- Swisslinux.org − Le carrefour GNU/Linux en Suisse − http://www.swisslinux.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org