On Thu, 2014-11-13 at 08:25 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Florian Lohoff <f...@zz.de> writes: > > > I meanwhile see the systemd issue as a social problem within > > debian. There are design issues which are REALLY controversial. In the > > past Debian did good by delaying adoption of controversial technical > > issues e.g. devfs and waited in a conservative way until dust settled > > and there was roughly a consensus. > > We waited two years, during which positions hardened, people got angrier > and angrier, and there were increasing demands to force the issue. > Serious question: how much longer were we realistically going to wait with > zero sign of forward progress?
The Canonical license arguments was maybe the tipping weight that pushed Debian towards systemd, right. > That didn't happen, obviously. But don't lose sight of the fact that we > were already in a really bad place. > > > This has changed - Debian has changed. > > > It seems we need to rush in all interesting stuff without looking > > forward past some months - Today systemd might be THE solution to some > > peoples problems. Is it tomorrow? I doubt it. > If you think waiting two years to make a decision is rushing matters, > I'm not sure what your idea of moving slowly is. Isn't it so that systemd has changed a lot since the decision was made in February this year, and the rate of changes will not stop. In the meanwhile no stable API is defined and more and more functionality is integrated in the systemd software, effectively shutting off alternatives. When CoreOS is fully developed, there will a diminishing market for other distributions. Let's hope that Debian at least don't completely rules out (abandons) alternate init systems. When things are seen in a perspective, a few years from now, this might have saved Debian from disappearing (and even obtain new desktop and server users coming from the not-happy-with-systemd people). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1415897759.11764.44.ca...@g3620.my.own.domain
