On 11/5/05, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I'd be happy to help. Although last I remember, you guys didn't want
> > anything to do with Maven. Has that changed?
>
> Well 'never' might be a little strong. We haven't exactly made it a
> priority but several of us remain on the "persuadable" side. Have you
> made a true believer out of Craig yet?


No :-). But it's not as big a deal now that we have several folks willing to
do all the hard work :-).

Our user base is growing and we are getting more volunteers to step
> forward and they are taking a crack at a Maven2 script. If Maven
> works nicely with the new zone solution then I might be interested in
> taking another look.


Maven and zones seem like orthogonal issues??? There are certainly things
Maven makes easy, like the site:deploy target, but those all seem possible
to do from a standalone desktop as well, using either cron (Unix/Linux
systems) or the job scheduler (Windows). Any, it's straightforward to
install any software you want on your own zone, so you can have it your way.

Basically, zones are a Solaris feature that essentially gives you your own
private virtual world (including a root login) on a shared box. Each TLP
(such as myfaces or struts) can have one just by asking the infrastructure
folks to set it up, as long as the PMC is willing to provide administrative
support. One nice advantage is that you can run your own Tomcat instance,
for example, so you can have live demos of components or whatever.

At the moment, zones are still somewhat experimental and subject to being
reinstalled, so keep good backups. But it's a very elegant way for TLPs to
take responsibility for some live functionality, without overburdening an
already strected infra crew that is doing such a good job of keeping the
Apache infrastructure functioning.

sean


Craig


>
> > --
> > James Mitchell
> > 678.910.8017
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 5, 2005, at 9:10 PM, Sean Schofield wrote:
> >
> > > James,
> > >
> > > I will have to get some more info on the zones from you. I am VERY
> > > behind on my site-dev reading and apparently I have missed a lot.
> > > Maybe at some point you could help us set this up for MyFaces as well?
> > > There is already an effort to migrate the build to Maven so maybe we
> > > could use most of your work on this ...
> > >
> > > sean
> > >
> > > On 11/4/05, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> On 11/4/05, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> There is still a small chance that infra could yank the zone from us
> > >>> or do something to cause it be (or need to be) wiped clean.
> > >>>
> > >>> And so, knowing this I've kept everything in svn, so that
> > >>> recovery is
> > >>> a matter of:
> > >>> a) finding a different box
> > >>> b) svn co the project
> > >>> c) cp maven-nightly.sh.current nightly.sh
> > >>> d) chmod u+x nightly.sh
> > >>> e) copy my public key to .ssh/authorized_keys on the target box
> > >>> f) setup a crontab
> > >>>
> > >>> And except for that weird issue with automount, it has been running
> > >>> like a champ, totally hands off.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Cool.
> > >>
> > >> I'm still tweaking what you gave me, so what I'll do is (once my
> > >>> tweaks actually work ;), begin building/scp-ing the nightlies to a
> > >>> different (not over yours) location. This will be a staging area of
> > >>> sorts, until you decide that you are comfortable with the nightly
> > >>> process on the zone.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> That sounds great. Having it on the zone would mean more people
> > >> than just me
> > >> could maintain and fix it, so that would be goodness.
> > >>
> > >> I know you are/were building some of the commons nightlies too, we
> > >>> can certainly pick that up for you if you like. (??)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> That's be great (for the same reasons) ... the only question is
> > >> whether we
> > >> should do this in the Struts zone or not :-). I'll send you that
> > >> script
> > >> separately ... it's actually simpler because the process for each
> > >> individual
> > >> commons package is identical.
> > >>
> > >> Craig
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>> James Mitchell
> > >>> 678.910.8017
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Nov 3, 2005, at 10:11 PM, Craig McClanahan wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 11/3/05, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> So, does that mean you do not want me to add the ant process to
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>> zone builds?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I fixed it on my desktop for tonight. Are we confident enough in
> > >>>> the zone
> > >>>> builds to run nightlies from there instead? If so, I'll just
> > >>>> comment it out
> > >>>> of my crontab. Also, have you had a chance to mess with the nightly
> > >>>> builds
> > >>>> for the commons packages also, or is that a separate kettle of
> > >>>> fish?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>>> James Mitchell
> > >>>>> 678.910.8017
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Craig
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Nov 3, 2005, at 1:33 PM, Craig McClanahan wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 11/3/05, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Um, sorry, the build failed (which I half expected anyway, not
> > >>>>>>> having
> > >>>>>>> run it on the particular machine yet) so I'll rework a few
> > >>>>>>> things and
> > >>>>>>> kick it off again. I'll ping the list when they are available.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thanks.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks James. I was also able to access my home desktop and
> > >>>>>> figured
> > >>>>>> out what
> > >>>>>> was going wrong (I botched a PATH setup when I reorganized my
> > >>>>>> system a bit),
> > >>>>>> so tonight's nightlies should be produced on schedule.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> James Mitchell
> > >>>>>>> 678.910.8017
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Craig
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Nov 3, 2005, at 12:49 PM, James Mitchell wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I have Craig's nightly script and I am running it as I type
> > >>>>>>>> this.
> > >>>>>>>> Look for some nightlies in a few minutes.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>> James Mitchell
> > >>>>>>>> 678.910.8017
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 2005, at 10:59 AM, Ryan Wynn wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I was hoping to get the latest build of shale, to get the
> > >>>>>>>>> latest
> > >>>>>>>>> clay
> > >>>>>>>>> changes, and I noticed that the latest nightly build is from
> > >>>>>>>>> 10/28. Is there
> > >>>>>>>>> a reason why there is no 11/3 build?
> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>>>> Ryan
> > >>>>>>>>
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