On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 12:34 AM, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kof...@chello.at> wrote: > Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> * #1592 - Redefinition of what constitutes a secondary/alternate >> ~ architecture in Fedora (sgallagh, 16:04:18) >> ~ * AGREED: FESCo approves the new alternative architectures plan (+7, >> ~ 0, -0) (sgallagh, 16:11:29) > > Sigh! So the proposal to break Fedora got unanimously approved without > restrictions. I wonder why you requested a mailing list thread to be opened > at all, given that you simply completely ignored the mailing list feedback. > The "feedback request" from the proposal owners was already worded as if the > mailing list thread was only a formality, and it looks like they were right.
Not going the way you wanted it to and ignoring the email thread are not the same thing. There was feedback that was taken into account as part of the proposal that came from the mailing list, given I'm the proposal owner (but not the only one involved) I did not vote (and I'm not on FESCo to vote anyway) so I can't comment on behalf of FESCo as to whether that feed back had any impact on their vote. > I still do not see why every exotic architecture no real user cares about > has to fail our builds instead of being built in its own koji-shadow sandbox > where it can only break itself. There was no satisfactory answer to that. > Our actual users use x86 machines. Delaying the builds for the machines our > users use by some indefinite time because of some obscure toolchain bug > affecting some toy machine only a couple people at Red Hat or at some > university have sitting on their desk helps no one. Real users do NOT use > dev boards without even a case, FPGA development kits, or similar developer > toys. They use "a computer", which out there in the real world means x86. See that's where we disagree, there are 1000s of users that use those, you could also argue that the vast majority of Fedora instances aren't desktop platforms but servers/VMs and other non desktop usecases (I know of one company running Fedora on over a million ARM devices) yet we still care about and ship various desktops too or some of the weird 18K odd source packages that we also distribute the binaries for. There are users of these out in the wider Fedora ecosystem that benefit from all these different options and even though they don't fit in YOUR definition of a "real world" user it doesn't mean they're not. Fedora is very much about options and diversity whether that be people, language, location, desktop or architecture :-) Peter -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
