Don As one of the moderators of this list let you thank you for you post stating what I really can't.
BTW - I did sent him a note saying that we really don't need the "screw you" comment. John, W0JAB At 09:04 PM 4/11/2008, you wrote: >David WD4KPD, > >I guess the "bring it on" means you want a response. I noticed reading >many of your replies that you leave these types of remarks below your >name/call when you reply to message posts to get a point across for >what ever reason so I can only assume by what you have listed before >on other posts you want me to respond or as you say "bring it on". > >I for one want to let you know that I did NOT provoke a response like >you have given me but my post was in good and positive spirit of Ham >Radio. I also did NOT post the 30 Meter Digital QRP Weekend to be >belittled by you or anyone else you have voiced your opinion and I >can't change that nor will I try but by you voicing it publicly you >are trying to sway others in your views they will have to decide what >is right and wrong or what they agree or disagree with according to >facts so far the facts are not on the Internet but by listening to the >great bunch of digital ops on the 30 Meter band that have no >intentions of contesting on the 30 Meter band. > >If you don't mind David I will answer your post publicly since you >were so fast at responding to my message post that again didn't >warrant such a reply you have given it but then again you have your >own opinions so that is a right no one can take away and many have >died for you to have that right here in the good old USA. > >"for all intents and purposes, this non-contest is still a >contest" ..Right from the start your reply message changes my message >post from a 30 Meter Digital QRP Weekend to ANOTHER NON-CONTEST ON A >NO CONTEST BAND is of a mean spirited nature and negative and I'm not >sure why that is but that is your call (many times I just use my >delete key if not intersted)....for those of you that do decide to >work the 30 Meter Digital QRP Weekend on April 19/20 you are going to >be very disappointed if you are looking for a contest. All you are >going to find is a bunch of really nice digital ops making casual >contacts, experimenting with low power, long ragchews and DX if the >band allows....you will NOT find is any rules on about a contest >because there is no contest no rules for exchange no time limits ..no >points .no logs are requested to be sent in for any contest prize for >the weekend because there are none .the only winners are those that >participate and have fun. > >"there is a sponsor" .a sponsor is one that spends money maybe on a >contest or something and I guess would give out prizes for those >winners and might gain something from all this. Again we might be >putting the word out to give 30 Meters a try and we do hope for more >Hams to participate on the 30 Meter band so that is true (could care >less if they join the 30MDG because our main focus or goal is to have >an increase awareness and usage of digital modes on 30 Meters if they >join in 30MDG so be it but not our goal) ..having fun on Ham Radio is >FREE and we don't spend any money on FREE fun again there is no winner >for the most contacts or having the most points on the QRP Weekend >because again David there are no points, contest like exchanges or >contact limits and good luck on having fast contacts because there is >a nice bunch of long winded ragchew digital operators on the 30 Meter >band so you will have a hard time getting to that next contact very >quickly even if you wanted to. > >"and bragging rights are earned by contesters in the organization" .oh >really? I think bragging about how far a QRP signal may go or who >hears your low power signal and maybe how many contacts you make using >low power and to what areas of the World those contacts are made is >what we do all the time, right? You David post your MEPT reports and >I don't think that is contesting on 30 Meters yet it is bragging of >sorts and very informative (thanks for doing that by the way). BTW, >we are NOT an organization but a group of average `Joe" digital >operators just having fun on the 30 Meter band. I agree though there >are some contesters in our group and some darn good ones, I understand >you don't like contesting and that is fine and you have that right to >not like it as I'm not much on contesting myself but even though there >are contesters in our group doesn't mean they are contesting on the 30 >Meter band in fact just the opposite as I think from reading the mail >on many of them since 30 Meters is a WARC band and a NO CONTEST band >they seems to like this place to come to and ragchew and get to know >other Hams vs when on the other bands getting hammered by folks just >needing a fast contact and 599 report to get them in the log and >sometimes QRM'd to the degree they couldn't carry on a good ragchew if >they wanted to. > >"it may be legal" .yes it is legal to use the 30 Meter Band (we are >secondary users should give way to gov/com'l transmitions also be kind >to our neighbors in QSO with the modes we use..and follow the rules or >our license), unless you are now in charge of the rule making David >and we no longer can use the 30 Meter band or promote the use of the >30 Meter band .I for one will be using the 30 Meter band. > >"but still in poor taste" really? What would you suggest David to >promote the 30 Meter band? I'm all ears and you can list all your >ideas here or email me direct if you wish. > >What I think is in poor taste is some of your replies to others here >and your negativity so although you have the right to have your own >opinions just don't be surprised if not everyone agrees with you yet >the silent majority sit back and read all this but never reply because >they already know how silly it all is yet the `squeaky wheel gets the >oil' although many of your posts are very informative and again I >respect you but that is a two way street my friend. > >So you have said your peace and although I don't agree with you you >have the right to your views I just don't agree with you but can still >respect you (I think). > >I don't expect you to join in on the 30 Meter Digital QRP Weekend as >you have made your views public and known (although if you listen in >you are going to be very disappointed if you are a contester or >expecting a contest on 30 Meters because there isn't one) and I don't >really want to change your mind on your opinions as you have that >right but as far as your `poor taste' and `bring it on' with in your >reply to my simple posting of a 30 Meter event that I thought others >that are digital operators might be interested in (this is a digital >group right?) I would expect nothing less than an apology to me not >for your opinions because again you have that right to disagree with >anything you like or that you disagree that it is a contest (which it >isn't but again you have the right to your views) but an apology for >your `poor taste' in a response that only would provoke a `bring it >on' response back to you. > >BTW, I have read some of your posts and never replied but could have I >don't agree with you starting a message post as "SCREW" this or >that .or "intentional QRM" yet I sit and read but I feel many times >things are better left unsaid (wish this was one of them but again you >asked) and let others be the judge and jury and just try to enjoy what >time I have in this great hobby we have. > >I will be promoting the use of the digital modes on the 30 Meter Band >and at most post a message post here once a month at the very most to >let other digital operators know of these 30 Meter events that is of >course unless this really isn't a Ham Radio Digital Yahoo Group or >Andy thinks otherwise...ask anyone that knows me or google me, I'm a >straight shooter and call it the way I see it if asked you asked so >thanks for letting me respond. > >De kb9umt Don >www.30meterdigital.org > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/message/20283 > >intentional QRM > > >for all intents and purposes, when "Winlink" transmits >into the blind on a shared channel, that is intentional QRM. so by >doing so, they are advocating QRMing others just as i suggested. > >i agree that my language was a bit overboard, and apparently in poor >Spirit, but please don't point me out as the sole abuser. > >i promise Andy, this will be my last on this issue. > >david/wd4kpd > > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/message/20260 > >screw WINLINK > >"Live with it, and get used to it" >then QRM it. > >david/wd4kpd > > >Re: [digitalradio] screw WINLINK > >Just a friendly reminder that a rule of this group is that we adhere >to normal operational rules and not advocate deliberate interference. >Andy K3UK > >On 3/9/07, David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Live with it, and get used to it" > then QRM it. > > david/wd4kpd > > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/message/17951 > >CHAOS > >since CW is ok anywhere in the band, perhaps all the cw ops might >abandon the (gonna be crowded for sure) special cw area down low >and simply stake out an area in the lower ssb area. >this would give the digi folks a bit more room free from qrm. not >to knock cw, but enough cw operations would drive any ssb away. > >david/wd4kpd > >anarchy and chaos always win ! > > >--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> 30 Meter QRP Weekend April 19th & 20th >> >> 10.140 +/- 1000 PSK >> (10.135 10.145 HELL,OLIVIA,RTTY,Etc) >> >> >> for all intents and purposes, this non-contest is still a contest. >> there is a sponsor, and bragging rights are earned by the contesters >> in the organization. >> >> it may be legal, but still in poor taste. >> >> david/wd4kpd >> >> "bring it on" >> > > > > >--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> 30 Meter QRP Weekend April 19th & 20th >> >> 10.140 +/- 1000 PSK >> (10.135 10.145 HELL,OLIVIA,RTTY,Etc) >> >> >> for all intents and purposes, this non-contest is still a contest. >> there is a sponsor, and bragging rights are earned by the contesters >> in the organization. >> >> it may be legal, but still in poor taste. >> >> david/wd4kpd >> >> "bring it on" >> > > > >------------------------------------ > >Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at >http://www.obriensweb.com/sked > >Check our other Yahoo Groups.... >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlist/ >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contesting >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup >Yahoo! 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