Hello Phil,

According to my measures (under gaussian noise), PSKFEC31 has a minimum S/N of 
-14.5 dB (2.5 dB better than PSK63F) but the speed is twice weaker (28 wpm).  
It includes a FEC system (bit based) which permits to have a more robust mode 
than PSK31 (about 5 times less errors than PSK31), in good conditions. However, 
I think PSK63F is more robust than PSKFEC31 in bad conditions. 
Moreover, PSKFEC31 has a reduced set of characters. PSKFEC31 can be received in 
a panoramic way (multi reception).

So to abstract, it is more sensitive and more robust than PSK31, more sensitive 
than PSK63F but less robust than this one.

PSK63F is in all cases better than PSK31. The only advantage of PSK31 is its 
smaller bandwidth.

73
Patrick

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Williams 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] IZ8BLY's PSK63F




  Very interesting.  What about PSKFEC31 under the same test scenarios?  
Certainly, there would be more a in throughput, but that is a matter of some 
liberal use of CW shorthand.


  philw de ka1gmn


  On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Tony <d...@optonline.net> wrote:

      
    All,

    Recent path simulation tests indicate that Nino Porcino's PSK63F offers 
    better performance over PSK31 and PSK63 in a couple of areas. The most 
    significant improvement is it's ability to endure Doppler spread found on 
    paths that cross the polar ionosphere. Both PSK31 and PSK63 fail miserably 
    in this area; see high-lat test samples below.

    Path Simulation: High Latitude (Moderate) Path Delay: 3ms, Doppler spread 
    10Hz
    Pangram Text: Quick Brown Fox

    PSK63F -- the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
    PSK63 -- mev roe tt#dtorl|f- bn ô mp e o ihe Fzy dg
    PSK31 -- nls oSer Òe naAeta qlipM h nV o T rn agâ o
    RTTY -- TH QACKH492, FOJUMP OR THTLAZY G

    Sensitivity-wise, it's quite a bit more sensitivity than PSK63, but only 
    marginally better than PSK31. Although it's speed is about 25% faster than 
    PSK31, it's about 40% slower than PSK63. Average wmp rate seems to be 63 
wpm 
    for PSK63F.

    Lowest S/N (sensitivity)

    PSK63F -12db
    PSK63 -7db
    PSK31 -11db
    RTTY -5db

    Additional path tests indicate that PSK31 and PSK63F perform about the same 
    under moderate mid-latitude conditions (CCIR fading channel). Tests show 
    that PSK31 and PSK63F will outperform PSK63 when signals are weak under 
    quiet conditions since they both have greater sensitivity.

    It would be interesting to hear from our HF digital friends up north who 
    experience the distorting effects of the polar ionosphere on a regular 
    basis; this is where the PSK63F mode can be put to the test.

    Available software:

    Nino Porcino's Stream -- http://xoomer.virgilio.it/aporcino/
    Patrick Lindeckers Multipsk -- http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm 
    (thanks for including PSK63F Patrick)

    Tony, K2MO








  

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