Looks like the Chelsea Manning article has been changed back to Bradley Manning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chelsea_Manning/August_2013_move_request
There is still a discussion ongoing about which name to lead the article text with, however: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bradley_Manning#First_sentence Ryan Kaldari On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizon.net>wrote: > There have been similar problems at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/** > Chelsea_Manning <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning> > Obviously there have been a number of comments that are obviously > transphobic. However, there also have been repeated false charges of > transphobia against those who cite good policy reasons for not changing the > name. I personally oppose the change to Chelsea as premature for a number > of reasons, FYI. > > And there are good reasons to question what happened at that article > process wise (the policy reasons for and against the change are discussed > ad nauseam at the talk page where editors are just trying to get it changed > back to Bradley Manning, though I think that's morphed into a final > discussion - hard to tell!! ): > * an admin changed the title to Chelsea Manning with no discussion on the > talk page, given it's a controversial move in such a high publicity figure > *the admin then spoke to the press about it, wrote a blog entry with their > opinion, tweeted about it, and got even more media publicity for their blog > entry and/or tweets > *I would not be surprised if a number of editors also alerted the media to > her writings and actions in order to try to influence the outcome of a > Wikipedia policy decision > *I don't know how much off wiki canvassing there was, but I did start a > list of wikiprojects alerted, so at least that aspect of WP:Canvass would > be covered > *an editor threatened anyone moving the title back would become a minor > celebrity for a few days, a threat only to those whose actual names were > used, which implied outing (there's a subsection of the larger ANI thread > on that threat and related insults) > > Wonder if I'll get shouted down *here* yet again for expressing my > opinions... sigh... > > CM > > > > > On 8/24/2013 7:34 AM, Helga Hansen wrote: > >> In the German Wikipedia a huge discussion has erupted over the question >> how to change the Wikipedia page for Chelsea Manning and it's another >> textbook example over how to drive women of Wikipedia. You can see the gory >> details here (in German of course): http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/** >> Diskussion:Bradley_Manning<http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Bradley_Manning> >> >> I don't want to discuss this because it has already exhausted me to no >> end but it's another example of “How not to deal with women” and especially >> “How not to deal with transwomen” and it's important to understand the >> dynamics. >> >> After her statement on Today, one user went over the article, changing it >> from Bradley to Chelsea. When discussions about this started, two other >> users set up a section "Namensänderung" that addressed some of the >> criticism (confusion over names, before „Breanna“ was mentioned, how the >> support network has handled the name question) and provided sources. They >> did this on an etherpad and then moved the complete section into Wikipedia. >> By the way a modus operandi that I have heard from several women, to >> minimize chances of their work being deleted again. >> One admin locked the article title to Chelsea Manning. Some friends told >> me how happy they were to see the page presenting her in this way. >> >> Over the night, though, the discussion exploded. Changes were made by the >> minute, or rather, the article was reverted. Every try, to change something >> back or to reason with people was made impossible. To keep up, you would >> have had to be there, writing and fighting not only during the day but also >> the night. That is just not possible for anybody except students. >> >> Somebody mentioned that “commonly referred to names” were ok to use, so I >> tried to get people to acknowledge that the final article will influence >> how Manning is referred to in German speaking countries. No avail. Instead, >> the amount of transphobic statements was disgusting. People wanting to >> check her therapy progress, ID documents or in her pants. I cannot blame >> anybody who doesn't want to deal with this sort of violence. >> >> Every try to get people consider US laws and customs, which differ from >> much stricter German transgender laws and guidelines, was totally ignored. >> Also, guidelines by transgender organizations on how to write about >> transpeople were ignored. Somebody brought up the fact that Manning hat >> entered the military in a profession reserved for men at the time. Instead >> of asking an expert how to deal with it, it was solely used as an argument. >> It was all just opinions, instead of facts. While some people were still >> talking about knowledge, someone else would start a vote and then the >> majority decided. >> (In case you wonder: one way would be to keep referring to Chelsea as >> female while noting that the profession was reserved for men at the time >> and she entered presenting as male.) >> >> Of course, people who identified as women or worse, transwomen, were >> shouted down to no end and accused of being too emotional or having a >> political agenda. Wanting to be treated with respect and having human >> rights is indeed a political agenda but none to be insulted for. Also: one >> transwoman was not egligible to vote, her account was too “new”. She had >> shut down her old account, from before transition for several reason >> (transphobia being one). >> >> The section "Namensänderung" was removed, too. There was no reason given >> and Kathrin, the author, later told in a podcast how difficult it was for >> her to find out, how and when this happened as it was removed with other >> sections. She managed to get it restored with the help of an experienced >> Wikipedia admin. Deleting a thoroughly researched section that is >> undoubtedly relevant reeks of erasure, in this case of the existence of a >> transwoman. The podcast (in German) is available here: >> http://www.iheartdigitallife.**de/nrrrdz000020-mesh-up/<http://www.iheartdigitallife.de/nrrrdz000020-mesh-up/> >> >> So. There's a group of mostly women, who poured their hearts into work, >> defended it thoroughly and were insulted and shouted down. I honestly see >> no way, how we are even in a position to get people to change guidelines >> anywhere in Wikipedia. Plus, we're all exhausted. >> >> Still, there are some ideas what to do: >> - The guidelines on naming need to include how to deal with transpersons. >> - As does a policy of using pronouns. >> - If guidelines and policies are expanded on how to deal with >> marginalised groups, their expertise has to be valued. >> - Removal of sections should be easier to reconstruct >> >> Once again: I don't want to discuss the issue at hand or even be forced >> to defend who wrote what when. I also know how Wikipedia works and this >> mailinglist is in no place to officially demand changes, yadayada. But this >> is important. If it weren't for some very persistent people, the German >> entry would not even mention the fact that Manning has asked to be referred >> to as a woman. >> >> All the best >> Helga Hansen >> >> >> PS: It has to be said that Lana Wachowskis entry was changed without much >> kerfuffle, but then it's always been a “Wachowski brothers” entry that's >> now “Wachowski siblings” and there's about one pronoun used that refers to >> “her” and not “them”. >> >> PPS: Please realize that I feel the need to ask not be treated to any >> explanations because I have experienced that way too often. >> >> __________________ >> Helga Hansen >> @hanhaiwen >> helgahansen.de >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/gendergap<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap> >> > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/gendergap<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap> >
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