Frankly, I see little value in creating a site whose goal includes attracting journalists - particularly given the poor quality, sensationalistic journalism that we've all seen "reporting" on anything Wikimedia.
Risker/Anne On 11 September 2014 18:51, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > In my opinion, women should look to organising off-wiki. Women-only site > Women.com was mentioned the other day on the Gender Gap Task Force page. > Activism there could certainly fulfil a useful function. > > Ultimately, I think there should be a separate site for the gender gap > effort – combining a blog and a forum, much like Wikipediocracy – where > women and men interested in narrowing the gender gap and documenting the > existing problems can exchange views in an atmosphere undisturbed by men > pretending to be women, men opposed to narrowing the gender gap, men > arguing that it's not really proven that the gender gap is a problem, and > so forth. > > It could do wonders for the effort's signal-to-noise ratio, and could > probably achieve exponentially more in terms of raising public awareness. > As it is, discussions on-wiki get bogged down in arguments leading nowhere, > and contributors' energies are dissipated.[1] > > A well-publicised off-wiki site forming links to journalists and academics > working in this field would be an ideal complement to this mailing list – > which is useful for networking with researchers and Wikipedians, but > creates little or no direct publicity. No journalist will comb through the > voluminous discussions here. You need a place where you can summarise > issues in a more easily digestible format. > > Unrelated to this, some of you may be interested in an ongoing discussion > of the Wikipedia gender gap happening on Hacker News / Y Combinator: > > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8304173 > > [1] Note the current arbitration request on the English Wikipedia: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Gender_Gap_Task_Force_Issues > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Katherine Casey < > fluffernutter.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I don't think it's appropriate to use this list to link to pages that out >> other users. I understand your frustration with nothing onwiki getting >> done, Carol, I truly do, but part of the social contract of being a >> Wikipedian is that we're expected to not attack the "real lives" of other >> Wikipedians - even when we think they're terrible or totally wrong. >> >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizon.net> >> wrote: >> >>> Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity >>> >>> http://wikipediocracy.com/2014/09/07/wikipedia-and-the-war-on-womens-dignity/ >>> >>> This article mentions an individual who's caused problems at the Gender >>> Gap task force. >>> >>> Off wiki sites engaging in outing is, like hashtags, a two edged sword. >>> It can be used against truly problematic individuals who troll behind >>> anonymity. But it also can be used against solid editors whose job or >>> other situation necessitates anonymity but who have angered the wrong troll >>> by trying to comply with policy. >>> >>> And the absurdities continue.... >>> >>> CM >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >
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