>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Wardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Andy> The Camel is O'Reilly <--> Perl.  The Camel existed before Perl,
Andy> Perl existed before the Camel, both existed before O'Reilly.

Perl did not exist before O'Reilly.

The chrono order is:

1) camels (circa thousands of years BC)
2) O'Reilly (circa 1983, I think)
3) Perl (circa 1987)
4) O'Reilly associates Camel with Perl, to which they claim a TM (circa 1991)

:-)

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