Homer was conceived as a MIT less expensive alternative to Homer/Saluki.   
Capability wise, they are about the same.  They do fire roads and light to 
medium tours well. They are capable on roads but not pure road bikes.  Now both 
are MIT.  Not sure why both still appear. 

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> On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Jason Fuller <jtf.ful...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Rich, I do recall your post, I was just hoping for additional detail 
> from the two or three (including yourself) who've made similar comments. 
> Basically I am trying to understand how crazy it would be to own both (swap 
> my lighter roadie parts to the Homer, and rebuild the Sam to more of a 
> touring setup), or, conversely, how the Homer would stand up against "Road+" 
> type bikes. 
> 
> I weighed my Sam, 27.5 lbs as it sits (while the Clem is 34 lbs with all bags 
> removed.. heh)
> 
>> On Sunday, 26 July 2020 at 15:56:16 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>> Jason,
>> 
>> I posted this on July 14 related to a question about the Roadini.
>> 
>> . . .MIT Homer - Lightest of the three. Now this is only a guess based on 
>> past observations from others on the list - the Homer and the Roadini frames 
>> weigh about the same. No doubt about it, the Homer rides lighter and 
>> snappier than my Sam and Atlantis. Note: for comparison my Homer and Sam 
>> have identical builds and geometry.
>> 
>> MIT Sam - Handles a good bit like the Homer but its stoutness makes it more 
>> akin to the Atlantis. In my experience what sets it apart from the Atlantis 
>> are the 650b wheels and the angles.
>> 
>> Update!  Homer weight 27lbs. Sam weight 30lbs. Both bikes with metal fenders 
>> and smallish handlebar bags. Hope this is helpful.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 1:33:48 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
>>> Add me to the list of people who are very curious about the Homer / Sam 
>>> comparison.  I have always thought of them as riding pretty similar, but 
>>> never ridden an MIT Homer. I use my Hillborne as my road bike that I often 
>>> ride with friends on modern performance road bikes. I know it's overbuilt 
>>> for the purpose but I do like the comfort and versatility. Keeping up is 
>>> sometime tough though, but I'm probably more to blame than the bike. 
>>> 
>>>> On Friday, 1 February 2019 at 11:29:13 UTC-8 Adam Leibow wrote:
>>>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>>>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i 
>>>> love lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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