Bruce,

Yes, thought you were referring to the SH. Of course now the MIT Homer is
the economy version of the previous MUSA version!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 6:13 PM Bruce Herbitter <bruce.herbit...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Typo of course. I meant to type “Hillborne” was the economy version of
> Homer.
>
> How many figured that out?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 27, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Erik Wright <erik.s.wri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've very curious to see the geo of the upcoming run of Sams. To your
> point, Homer and Sam are both MIT and I'm curious if geo will be the
> differentiating factor (Sam keeping the "short" chainstays) or if they'll
> be like MIT Atlantis / Joe A where the differences are negligible. Honestly
> I'm just wondering if Grant was worn down by all the bemoaning over long
> chainstays and chose to keep the Sams as-is (or as-was). I think I'd be
> surprised to see a 2020 Sam without lengthened chainstays.
>
> Here's a photo of my Roadini as it sits in the office this morning. I
> swapped in the Dia Compe downtubers this morning before my ride to work and
> am still experimenting with stem length, hence the nude bars.
>
> Erik, Philly
>
> On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 1:33:14 PM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> Homer was conceived as a MIT less expensive alternative to Homer/Saluki.
>>   Capability wise, they are about the same.  They do fire roads and light
>> to medium tours well. They are capable on roads but not pure road bikes.
>> Now both are MIT.  Not sure why both still appear.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Jason Fuller <jtf.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Rich, I do recall your post, I was just hoping for additional
>> detail from the two or three (including yourself) who've made similar
>> comments. Basically I am trying to understand how crazy it would be to own
>> both (swap my lighter roadie parts to the Homer, and rebuild the Sam to
>> more of a touring setup), or, conversely, how the Homer would stand up
>> against "Road+" type bikes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I weighed my Sam, 27.5 lbs as it sits (while the Clem is 34 lbs with all
>> bags removed.. heh)
>>
>> On Sunday, 26 July 2020 at 15:56:16 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Jason,
>>>
>>> I posted this on July 14 related to a question about the Roadini.
>>>
>>> . . .MIT Homer - Lightest of the three. Now this is only a guess based
>>> on past observations from others on the list - the Homer and the Roadini
>>> frames weigh about the same. No doubt about it, the Homer rides lighter and
>>> snappier than my Sam and Atlantis. Note: for comparison my Homer and Sam
>>> have identical builds and geometry.
>>>
>>> MIT Sam - Handles a good bit like the Homer but its stoutness makes it
>>> more akin to the Atlantis. In my experience what sets it apart from the
>>> Atlantis are the 650b wheels and the angles.
>>>
>>> Update!  Homer weight 27lbs. Sam weight 30lbs. Both bikes with metal
>>> fenders and smallish handlebar bags. Hope this is helpful.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 1:33:48 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Add me to the list of people who are very curious about the Homer / Sam
>>>> comparison.  I have always thought of them as riding pretty similar, but
>>>> never ridden an MIT Homer. I use my Hillborne as my road bike that I often
>>>> ride with friends on modern performance road bikes. I know it's overbuilt
>>>> for the purpose but I do like the comfort and versatility. Keeping up is
>>>> sometime tough though, but I'm probably more to blame than the bike.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, 1 February 2019 at 11:29:13 UTC-8 Adam Leibow wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of
>>>>> your rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. 
>>>>> i
>>>>> love lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
>>>>>
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