I'm thinking that this is a size 51 maybe since Riv uses the seat tube 
measurement for the listed sizes.
Doug

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is 
> indeed the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfiN1kOxVrthdc6eScUF9fP5n-BvRBILbBMYiEg5LM4/edit#gid=0>
>  doesn't 
> show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
> would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
> definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>
>> Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top of 
>> Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I bought 
>> the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers word and 
>> quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6"  with a 28" 
>> inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely clear the TT..
>>
>> I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask them 
>>> about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my size in 
>>> this model given the other geometry :) 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't 
>>>> know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the numbers 
>>>> are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is a 
>>>> nice looking build with nice parts.
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling 
>>>>> and hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> just wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing 
>>>>> says 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on 
>>>>> their site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 54cm 
>>>>> or indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm 
>>>>> sure 
>>>>> a 53 would be fine too.  
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>> Robert 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. First 
>>>>>> up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    - New Albion cranks 46/30
>>>>>>    - Paul brake levers
>>>>>>    - Tektro brakes
>>>>>>    - Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>>>>>>    - 9-speed cassette
>>>>>>    - Acera derailleur 
>>>>>>    - Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>>>>>>    - Albatross handlebars 
>>>>>>    - Paul thumbies 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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