I believe that is blue not sage. Blue was available as a 51 frame.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 10:08:03 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Doug, thanks again for some insight. It seems they didn't make a 51 in 
> the 2009 sage frame runs, it went from 48 to 52 and that measurement seems 
> too big to be a 48. Unless they had sage frames in the 2017 run of 51's, 
> that is, but I'm not sure when the color switch happened. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:32:56 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking that this is a size 51 maybe since Riv uses the seat tube 
>> measurement for the listed sizes.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is 
>>> indeed the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 
>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfiN1kOxVrthdc6eScUF9fP5n-BvRBILbBMYiEg5LM4/edit#gid=0>
>>>  doesn't 
>>> show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
>>> would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
>>> definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>>
>>>> Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top 
>>>> of Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I 
>>>> bought the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers 
>>>> word and quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6" 
>>>>  with a 28" inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely 
>>>> clear the TT..
>>>>
>>>> I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask 
>>>>> them about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my 
>>>>> size 
>>>>> in this model given the other geometry :) 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't 
>>>>>> know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the 
>>>>>> numbers 
>>>>>> are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is 
>>>>>> a 
>>>>>> nice looking build with nice parts.
>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling 
>>>>>>> and hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely 
>>>>>>> Hillborne. I 
>>>>>>> just wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing 
>>>>>>> says 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on 
>>>>>>> their site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 
>>>>>>> 54cm 
>>>>>>> or indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm 
>>>>>>> sure 
>>>>>>> a 53 would be fine too.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>> Robert 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. 
>>>>>>>> First up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    - New Albion cranks 46/30
>>>>>>>>    - Paul brake levers
>>>>>>>>    - Tektro brakes
>>>>>>>>    - Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>>>>>>>>    - 9-speed cassette
>>>>>>>>    - Acera derailleur 
>>>>>>>>    - Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>>>>>>>>    - Albatross handlebars 
>>>>>>>>    - Paul thumbies 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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