dear institut für alles mögliche, yes, this is indeed worthwile discussing – always a question of individual/subjective ethical judgement and decision making... sometimes there are certain thresholds, for me that was reached with palantir in that context and my post was to check if it was just me… all the best, c.
> Am 05.05.2023 um 09:41 schrieb i...@i-a-m.tk: > > dear carsten and all … the more i follow your discussions and the more i read > into this the more i ask myself if there is a funding structure that would be > acceptable? one that is free from art washing? one that is writing any better > history? if there is "clean money" in the first place? to what extend it is > acceptable to be funded? which companies are ok to be funded by and which are > not? and where exactly is the edge? > > i find it (soritical) paradox to see artists withdraw from collections, > protest against certain strategies money takes, demand "criticality“ and so > on … i find myself thinking it could be state funding (which in the end means > funding with forced labor) … i find it really puzzling … > > cheers > > > > > > Institut für Alles Mögliche > www.institutfuerallesmoegliche.net > > instagram us! > www.instagram.com/das.institut > > Am 05.05.2023 um 08:49 schrieb Carsten Stabenow <cars...@garage-g.de>: > > agf, andreas - thank you for forwarding! good to read this letter and the > names on the list. > best, carsten > >> Am 05.05.2023 um 07:48 schrieb AGF <a...@poemproducer.com>: >> >> engl version pls spread >> https://artwashing-leipzig.de/open-letter/ >> >> AGF: @poemproducer 🔎 rec-on.org >> >>> On 5. May 2023, at 7.49, Andreas Broeckmann >>> <andreas.broeckm...@leuphana.de> wrote: >>> >>> Carsten, man hat in Leipzig diskutiert: >>> >>> >>> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- >>> Betreff: artwashing >>> Datum: Fri, 5 May 2023 10:07:12 +0800 >>> Von: Yuhsin Su <agnesyuhsi...@gmail.com> >>> An: Andreas Broeckmann <abro...@hgb-leipzig.de> >>> >>> Dear Andreas, >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>> I would like to share with you the Open Letter regarding the involvement of >>> the surveillance company Palantir with the digital art exhibition >>> 'Dimensions' at Pittlerwerke Leipzig. Francis, our colleagues and I >>> initiated this letter. >>> >>> The letter is online in German and English here: >>> https://artwashing-leipzig.de/ >>> >>> There you can also sign the letter. >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>> warmly, >>> Yuhsin >>> >>> -- >>> Su Yu Hsin >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 04.05.23 um 08:36 schrieb Andreas Broeckmann: >>>> Dear Carsten, >>>> thank you for pointing this out. I'm also not aware of any "discussion" >>>> about this case (though I have heard that some people based in Leipzig >>>> explicitly did not want to go to the opening). I wonder whether some of >>>> the participating artists who are listed on the website (but who are >>>> probably not on this mailing list), would have something to say about the >>>> ethics of this particular sponsorship... (Who else would sponsor a digital >>>> art show like this? Do you think it would be better if it didn't take >>>> place at all? etc.) >>>> These moral questions are similar for everybody involved, organisers, >>>> curators, artists, visitors. My guess is that for some of them it is a >>>> matter of 'pecunia non olet' ("money does not stink"), and the opportunity >>>> to show artworks in a (formally, spatially) generous context. >>>> In the absence of a collective (what I think you disappointedly refer to >>>> as "this list"), decisions and actions are taken individually, especially >>>> when it comes to issues that affect us individually, like paying the >>>> bills, or getting a job, or having a name. >>>> Just my two cents worth... >>>> -a >>>> Am 29.04.23 um 18:06 schrieb Carsten Stabenow: >>>>> dear list, >>>>> sorry for beeing maybe too cryptic. >>>>> >>>>> but for those who might not have heard about this - there is a big media >>>>> art show running in leipzig at this moment - >>>>> https://www.dimensions-digital-art.de/ >>>>> 50 artists, some iconic works i was looking forward seeing again until i >>>>> learned, that the main sponsor of this show > > -- > rohrpost - deutschsprachige Liste zur Kultur digitaler Medien und Netze > Archiv: http://www.nettime.org/rohrpost > http://post.in-mind.de/pipermail/rohrpost/ > Ent/Subskribieren: http://post.in-mind.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rohrpost/ > > -- > rohrpost - deutschsprachige Liste zur Kultur digitaler Medien und Netze > Archiv: http://www.nettime.org/rohrpost > http://post.in-mind.de/pipermail/rohrpost/ > Ent/Subskribieren: http://post.in-mind.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rohrpost/ -- rohrpost - deutschsprachige Liste zur Kultur digitaler Medien und Netze Archiv: http://www.nettime.org/rohrpost http://post.in-mind.de/pipermail/rohrpost/ Ent/Subskribieren: http://post.in-mind.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rohrpost/
