Hi Marc,

I just tried building Sage without `-ld-classic`. It builds, but I get 
warnings about "ignoring duplicate libraries", and those cause doctest 
failures. The lines could be modified to test whether xcode-select is 
present and executable first, or since Sage now does indeed build without 
`-ld-classic`, we could filter out the warnings when doctesting.

-- 
John


On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:20:54 PM UTC-7 marc....@gmail.com wrote:

> Well, it almost solved the problem.
>
> It turns out that calling /usr/bin/gcc was not the only issue in 
> sage-env.  That script also calls xcode-select.  On a system with no XCode 
> app and no command line tools, calling gcc causes an error message to be 
> printed to stderr and a dialog to open asking whether to install the 
> command line tools.  Calling xcode-select on such a system prints the same 
> error message but does not open the dialog. The error message appears in 
> the terminal when running sage in a command line, which is annoying and/or 
> alarming to someone with no plans to do anything involving compilation of C 
> code.
>
> The calls to xcode-select were added in PR#36599 
> <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36599> in order to force XCode to 
> use Apple's ld-classic linker instead of ld when their new version of ld 
> was totally broken.  This is done by adding -ld_classic to LDFLAGS.
>
> *Note to people who worked on PR #36599* (@jhpalmieri and @mkoeppe): I 
> think Apple's new linker is working now, so it is probably no longer 
> necessary and not a good idea to force use of ld_classic.
>
> - Marc
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:45:54 PM UTC-5 Marc Culler wrote:
>
> That was it!
>
> Thank you Gonzalo; indeed, it helps a lot.  And your workaround is fine, 
> since we don't support the -i option,  Even if we did, the default names 
> for as, ld and ar are correct whenever the command line tools are 
> installed.  So that block of code is completely irrelevant for the macOS 
> platform.  This solves the problem.
>
> - Marc
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 8:59:12 PM UTC-5 Gonzalo Tornaría wrote:
>
> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/blob/develop/src/bin/sage-env#L482 and 
> L494
>
> See: https://github.com/sagemath/sage/issues/14296 and 
> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/commit/69213d74ead4e93687cf61f214b0d96dd3f9885a
>
> Maybe you can workaround this by setting AS=as and LD=ld in 
> sage-env-config.
>
> HTH,
> Gonzalo
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:48:18 PM UTC-3 Marc Culler wrote:
>
> I discovered, by installing the Sage_macOS app on a pristine macOS system, 
> that somehow, somewhere, in Sage's startup sequence there is a call to 
> gcc.  This is true whether Sage is being started from a command line or a 
> notebook.
>
> On such a macOS system /usr/bin/gcc exists, but calling it causes a dialog 
> to be posted which asks whether to download and install the Xcode "command 
> line tools".
>
> There is no need for a user to install, or be prompted to install, a C 
> compiler in order to run Sage.  If we want to verify whether a C compiler 
> is installed on the host system then we should check the return value of 
> xcode-select 
> -p rather than calling /usr/bin/gcc.
>
> I am unable to find where this call occurs.  Do any of the Sage developers 
> know which component of Sage could be calling /usr/bin/gcc on start up?
>
> - Marc
>
>

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