Re: [asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indiansubcontinent
In Canada proper grammar requires adding Eh to the end of all questions, and replacing ou with oo (e.g.: how aboot that hockey game last night). It's still English, and it's not wrong either. :) -Original Message- From: asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of David Knell Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:41 AM To: Asterisk Business List Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indiansubcontinent On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 03:55 -0400, Alex Balashov wrote: [an interesting note about capitalisation] I'm English, but I spend a fair amount of time in the US. A recent note from a US government department granted me Permission to Initiate Training, The Onion tells me that New Anti-Smoking Ads Warn Teens 'It's Gay To Smoke', and I quite often come across Sentences Or Entire Paragraphs Written Like This, usually (I think) with the intention of adding emphasis or an air of officialdom. None of these, according to our rules, should be capitalised. Or capitalized. Does that make them wrong? No - it's just one of the differences between the grammar of American English and that of mine. --Dave ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indiansubcontinent
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009, Michelle Dupuis wrote: In Canada proper grammar requires adding Eh to the end of all questions, and replacing ou with oo (e.g.: how aboot that hockey game last night). It's still English, and it's not wrong either. WhileHow aboot that hockey game last night, eh? is correct, And even how aboot that hockey game last night eh is almost acceptable. But How Aboot that hockey Game last night, Eh? is all wrong. I'm with Alex on this one -- please explain why one might randomly and inconsistently capitalize words. --- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beck...@angryox.com http://www.angryox.com/ --- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indiansubcontinent
The Canadian Eh? departs from standard English form in that it is NOT (sorry for the CAPS) restricted to questions. It is often used for emphasis, eh? Another usage (perhaps specific to Toronto) is when the speaker, in the typically deferential Canadian manner, striving to be World Class, is concerned that the listener may not agree and is desperately seeking their approval. (e.g. all the time) Although it pains me to further disagree with a fellow Canadian, I would respectfully submit that the Canadian pronunciation abaoot is closer to standard English abowt than the US ab-eh-o-o-owt which, to a native of the UK, is closer to the Cat dialect of English than any other. Can anyone shed light on why dollar is pronounced dallor in the US dialect of English? \HUMOUR I have also noticed and pondered that pseudo-random Tendency to capitalise nouns and adjectives. Does anyone have any (real) ideas? regards, Drew Michelle Dupuis wrote: In Canada proper grammar requires adding Eh to the end of all questions, and replacing ou with oo (e.g.: how aboot that hockey game last night). It's still English, and it's not wrong either. :) -Original Message- From: asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of David Knell Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:41 AM To: Asterisk Business List Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indiansubcontinent On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 03:55 -0400, Alex Balashov wrote: [an interesting note about capitalisation] I'm English, but I spend a fair amount of time in the US. A recent note from a US government department granted me Permission to Initiate Training, The Onion tells me that New Anti-Smoking Ads Warn Teens 'It's Gay To Smoke', and I quite often come across Sentences Or Entire Paragraphs Written Like This, usually (I think) with the intention of adding emphasis or an air of officialdom. None of these, according to our rules, should be capitalised. Or capitalized. Does that make them wrong? No - it's just one of the differences between the grammar of American English and that of mine. --Dave ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indiansubcontinent
Canadian eh? is an interesting affectation. It's sort of like tacking on 'you know' to the end of sentences. It can at the same time be both seeking confirmation and simply giving affirmation in a slightly less 'strong' tone. Much like the Japanese 'ne' is used by a lot of people. It softens the speech somewhat to not appear as declarative. N. Drew Gibson wrote: The Canadian Eh? departs from standard English form in that it is NOT (sorry for the CAPS) restricted to questions. It is often used for emphasis, eh? Another usage (perhaps specific to Toronto) is when the speaker, in the typically deferential Canadian manner, striving to be World Class, is concerned that the listener may not agree and is desperately seeking their approval. (e.g. all the time) Although it pains me to further disagree with a fellow Canadian, I would respectfully submit that the Canadian pronunciation abaoot is closer to standard English abowt than the US ab-eh-o-o-owt which, to a native of the UK, is closer to the Cat dialect of English than any other. Can anyone shed light on why dollar is pronounced dallor in the US dialect of English? \HUMOUR I have also noticed and pondered that pseudo-random Tendency to capitalise nouns and adjectives. Does anyone have any (real) ideas? regards, Drew Michelle Dupuis wrote: In Canada proper grammar requires adding Eh to the end of all questions, and replacing ou with oo (e.g.: how aboot that hockey game last night). It's still English, and it's not wrong either. :) -Original Message- From: asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of David Knell Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:41 AM To: Asterisk Business List Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indiansubcontinent On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 03:55 -0400, Alex Balashov wrote: [an interesting note about capitalisation] I'm English, but I spend a fair amount of time in the US. A recent note from a US government department granted me Permission to Initiate Training, The Onion tells me that New Anti-Smoking Ads Warn Teens 'It's Gay To Smoke', and I quite often come across Sentences Or Entire Paragraphs Written Like This, usually (I think) with the intention of adding emphasis or an air of officialdom. None of these, according to our rules, should be capitalised. Or capitalized. Does that make them wrong? No - it's just one of the differences between the grammar of American English and that of mine. --Dave ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indiansubcontinent
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009, SIP wrote: Canadian eh? is an interesting affectation. It's sort of like tacking on 'you know' to the end of sentences. It can at the same time be both seeking confirmation and simply giving affirmation in a slightly less 'strong' tone. Much like the Japanese 'ne' is used by a lot of people. It softens the speech somewhat to not appear as declarative. Like, I, um, you know, totally, like, agree. ;-) What have we done to our languages? Our ancestors are rolling in their graves, unable to prevent us from such linguistic destruction. Beckman --- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beck...@angryox.com http://www.angryox.com/ --- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indiansubcontinent
Wildly off-topic for Asterisk-biz: In the north-west of Ireland where I grew up, especially the city of Londonderry/Derry, there's a similar habit to add hi to the end of sentences. A common greeting is How's about ye, hi?, pronounced hsboucheeyhiy, which is of course completely incomprehensible to outsiders! Alistair Cunningham +1 888 468 3111 +44 20 799 39 799 http://integrics.com/ *** I'm presenting at Astricon in October. Let me *** know if you'll be there and would like to meet. SIP wrote: Canadian eh? is an interesting affectation. It's sort of like tacking on 'you know' to the end of sentences. It can at the same time be both seeking confirmation and simply giving affirmation in a slightly less 'strong' tone. Much like the Japanese 'ne' is used by a lot of people. It softens the speech somewhat to not appear as declarative. N. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indiansubcontinent
Peter Beckman wrote: What have we done to our languages? Our ancestors are rolling in their graves, unable to prevent us from such linguistic destruction. Actually, I suspect that language is becoming more standardised/standardized[1] over time due to global business and global media, and our ancestors had many more quirks than we do today. Certainly, you can see in Shakespeare that there are numerous quirks. The correct spelling of a word and structure of a sentence was a concept that didn't really exist until mass printing of dictionaries in the mid 19th century. [1] We're not there yet! Alistair Cunningham +1 888 468 3111 +44 20 799 39 799 http://integrics.com/ *** I'm presenting at Astricon in October. Let me *** know if you'll be there and would like to meet. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indiansubcontinent
Harkening back to the original query. In print most titles/headers have the first letter of each word capitalized. In a memo, someone might consider that a title or might just be acting self important. Other than the print world, online all caps YELLING, texting and laziness world bleeding into everything we do English is still one of the hardest languages to master. This is exactly for the reasons mentioned here, English seems capable if not ravenous to adopt any and all nuances someone decides to perpetuate. High School has another english based language altogether :-) BRIEN HAMRICK VP SALES Direct Video: 858-777-1799 Toll - Free 866-358-4838 10606 Camino Ruiz, Ste # 8-308 San Diego, CA 92126 www.voicevisionusa.com C: 858-774-4304 F: 858-505-9439 -Original Message- From: asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of SIP Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:33 AM To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indiansubcontinent Canadian eh? is an interesting affectation. It's sort of like tacking on 'you know' to the end of sentences. It can at the same time be both seeking confirmation and simply giving affirmation in a slightly less 'strong' tone. Much like the Japanese 'ne' is used by a lot of people. It softens the speech somewhat to not appear as declarative. N. Drew Gibson wrote: The Canadian Eh? departs from standard English form in that it is NOT (sorry for the CAPS) restricted to questions. It is often used for emphasis, eh? Another usage (perhaps specific to Toronto) is when the speaker, in the typically deferential Canadian manner, striving to be World Class, is concerned that the listener may not agree and is desperately seeking their approval. (e.g. all the time) Although it pains me to further disagree with a fellow Canadian, I would respectfully submit that the Canadian pronunciation abaoot is closer to standard English abowt than the US ab-eh-o-o-owt which, to a native of the UK, is closer to the Cat dialect of English than any other. Can anyone shed light on why dollar is pronounced dallor in the US dialect of English? \HUMOUR I have also noticed and pondered that pseudo-random Tendency to capitalise nouns and adjectives. Does anyone have any (real) ideas? regards, Drew Michelle Dupuis wrote: In Canada proper grammar requires adding Eh to the end of all questions, and replacing ou with oo (e.g.: how aboot that hockey game last night). It's still English, and it's not wrong either. :) -Original Message- From: asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of David Knell Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:41 AM To: Asterisk Business List Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indiansubcontinent On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 03:55 -0400, Alex Balashov wrote: [an interesting note about capitalisation] I'm English, but I spend a fair amount of time in the US. A recent note from a US government department granted me Permission to Initiate Training, The Onion tells me that New Anti-Smoking Ads Warn Teens 'It's Gay To Smoke', and I quite often come across Sentences Or Entire Paragraphs Written Like This, usually (I think) with the intention of adding emphasis or an air of officialdom. None of these, according to our rules, should be capitalised. Or capitalized. Does that make them wrong? No - it's just one of the differences between the grammar of American English and that of mine. --Dave ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list
Re: [asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indiansubcontinent
Brien Hamrick wrote: Harkening back to the original query. In print most titles/headers have the first letter of each word capitalized. In a memo, someone might consider that a title or might just be acting self important. Sure, but as Peter Beckman pointed out, these schemes in print appear to follow a consistent rule: they just capitalise every word. That's easy enough. Good style, bad style - it's irrelevant to the discussion. The point is that the formula is clear. The motivation for my inquiry is that I can't figure out what the guiding principles for arbitrary capitalisation of the sort I mentioned are. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
