the London Times and the Gleanings
**Call to edit Bible
A Rabbi is calling for Muslims and
Christians to revise the Koran and the New Testament, excising the passages
that preach ill-will towards others. Dr Jonathan Romain, the
Rabbi of Maidenhead Synagogue, says that Jewish scholars should also delete
some verses from the Hebrew bible.**
From
July 22nd 2006 edition of the London
Times
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/britain
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2280738,00.html
in news
in brief section
and the
Divine Father reveals:
**
O ye that dwell on earth! The
distinguishing feature that marketh the preeminent character of this Supreme
Revelation consisteth in that We have, on the one hand, blotted out from the
pages of God's holy Book whatsoever hath been the cause of strife, of malice
and mischief amongst the children of men, and have, on the other, laid down the
essential prerequisites of concord, of understanding, of complete and enduring
unity. Well is it with them that keep My statutes.
(Baha'u'llah: Gleanings, Page: 97)
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Re: Lincoln's statement
It was clear to me on reading this article, that the reporter did not get a number of things right: There are 350,000 Bahai in Iran Instead of Baha'is Speaking of Shoghi Effendi as the Effendi But we should not lose sight that it is a wonderful article, it shows the Faith in a very good light, and it likely increased the esteem of the Baha'is throughout Israel; which is, after all, what good relations with the press is all about. I would say that it was a spectacular result. Brent The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: delivering wives in Bible texts
I think Shi`ah consider the `ismah (infallibility) of `ali, Fatimih, Imam Hasan, Imam Husayn, etc., etc. on par with the infallibility of the Prophet Muhammad. I guess the Shaykhi school adopts a very extremist view of the exalted station of imams. But I think Baha'u'llah does not accept that the infallibility of the imams was on the same level of the Prophet's infallibility, the Most Great Infallibility. IshrAqAt expatiates on this. In some Tablets, He even calls the Shi`ah mushrikfor holding such a view. Dear Iskandar, Baha'u'llah does talk about different levels of infallibility, but I think when He refers to the Most Great Infallibility of the Manifestations He means that They Themselves are the balance of right and wrong, not just that what they do is right. warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: delivering wives in Bible texts
As to the question you raise about the perfection of the Manifestations, I think you can find a direct answer in Some Answered Questions. In that book Abdu'l Baha explains that the apparent rebukes to the Prophets are indirect rebukes to the Prophet's followers rather than to the Prophet Himself. A number of the people Gilberto names would not be considered Manifestations by Baha'is. Lot, for instance. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
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I think Shi`ah consider the `ismah (infallibility) of `ali, Fatimih, Imam Hasan, Imam Husayn, etc., etc. on par with the infallibility of the Prophet Muhammad. I guess the Shaykhi school adopts a very extremist view of the exalted station of imams. But I think Baha'u'llah does not accept that the infallibility of the imams was on the same level of the Prophet's infallibility, the Most Great Infallibility. IshrAqAt expatiates on this. Dear Iskandar, Baha'u'llah does talk about different levels of infallibility, but I think when He refers to the Most Great Infallibility of the Manifestations He means that They Themselves are the balance of right and wrong, not just that what they do is right. warmest, Susan Dear Iskandar and Susan, may you succeed in your studies. During the period of the so-called Ghaybat e Kubraa [Greater Occultation] ie 260 AH 1260 AH, the Ulama of the Shi'ih maz.-hab, more particularly the Us.uuli 'ulama relied on some traditions narrated of the Imams. On the basis of these three traditions somehow the umbrella of inerrancy of not infallibility was extended to the 'ulama. One very sad consequence of this was these Us.uuli 'ulama would anathematize and excommunicate other 'ulama of the akhbaari/sufi/other denominations. It is this particular extension of the umbrella of inerrancy that the Manifestations of the exalted Bab and Baha'u'llah say its day is not now. A New Day has dawned, with new norms new balances. This is Baha'u'llah's call to the 'ulama ***Say: O leaders of religion! Weigh not the Book of God with such standards and sciences as are current amongst you, for the Book itself is the unerring balance established amongst men. In this most perfect balance whatsoever the peoples and kindreds of the earth possess must be weighed, while the measure of its weight should be tested according to its own standard, did ye but know it. The eye of My loving-kindness weepeth sore over you, inasmuch as ye have failed to recognize the One upon Whom ye have been calling in the daytime and in the night season, at even and at morn. Advance, O people, with snow-white faces and radiant hearts, unto the blest and crimson Spot, wherein the Sadratu'l-Muntaha is calling: Verily, there is none other God beside Me, the Omnipotent Protector, the Self-Subsisting! O ye leaders of religion! Who is the man amongst you that can rival Me in vision or insight? Where is he to be found that dareth to claim to be My equal in utterance or wisdom? No, by My Lord, the All-Merciful! All on the earth shall pass away; and this is the face of your Lord, the Almighty, the Well-Beloved. We have decreed, O people, that the highest and last end of all learning be the recognition of Him Who is the Object of all knowledge; and yet, behold how ye have allowed your learning to shut you out, as by a veil, from Him Who is the Day Spring of this Light, through Whom every hidden thing hath been revealed. Could ye but discover the source whence the splendour of this utterance is diffused, ye would cast away the peoples of the world and all that they possess, and would draw nigh unto this most blessed Seat of glory. Say: This, verily, is the heaven in which the Mother Book is treasured, could ye but comprehend it. He it is Who hath caused the Rock to shout, and the Burning Bush to lift up its voice, upon the Mount rising above the Holy Land, and proclaim: The Kingdom is God's, the sovereign Lord of all, the All-Powerful, the Loving! We have not entered any school, nor read any of your dissertations. Incline your ears to the words of this unlettered One, wherewith He summoneth you unto God, the Ever-Abiding. Better is this for you than all the treasures of the earth, could ye but comprehend it. (Baha'u'llah: Gleanings, Pages: 198-199) For a discussion of the Us.uuli view of those three hadiths [the Tawqii' the H.anzala Maqbula of Umar ibn Hanzala] see http://al-islam.org/shiapoliticalthought/4.htm presumably this why the Faith is called revolutionizing world Religion, intensely alive, challenging in its claims, revolutionizing in its tenets, struggling against overwhelming odds (Shoghi Effendi: God Passes By, Page: 61) author of a hundred volumes, repositories of the priceless pearls of His Revelation, may be said to have practically terminated - volumes replete with unnumbered exhortations, revolutionizing principles (Shoghi Effendi: God Passes By, Page: 220) The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
Re: Lincoln's Statement
I can't get the link to work. - Original Message - From: Dean Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:36 pm Subject: Lincoln's Statement To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu The Baha'is do not have a temple in Haifa. We have shrines. Why would Mr. Lincoln refer to the temple? Hizbullah would think it pretty neat if they destroyed our temple, said Albert Lincoln, secretary-general of the Baha'i International Community in Haifa, said Thursday. http://tinyurl.com/zxgdm The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-237322- [EMAIL PROTECTED]: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
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I found this helpful from John Hick With grateful thanks to him and to the site: http://mind.ucsd.edu/syllabi/02-03/01w/readings/hick.html [1] As well as the majority report of the Augustinian tradition, which has dominated Western Christendom, both Catholic and Protestant, since the time of Augustine himself, there is the minority report of the Irenaean tradition. This latter is both older and newer than the other, for it goes back to St. lrenaeus and others of the early Hellenistic Fathers of the Church in the two centuries prior to St. Augustine, and it has flourished again in more developed forms during the last hundred years. [2] Instead of regarding man as having been created by God in a finished state, as a finitely perfect being fulfilling the divine intention for our human level of existence, and then falling disastrously away from this, the minority report sees man as still in process of creation. lrenaeus himself expressed the point in terms of the (exegetically dubious) distinction between the image [IMAGO] and the likeness [SIMILITUDO] of God referred to in Genesis 26: Then God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. His view was that man as a personal and moral being already exists in the image, but has not yet been formed into the finite likeness of God. By this likeness Irenaeus means something more than personal existence as such; he means a certain valuable quality of personal life which reflects finitely the divine life. This represents the perfecting of man, the fulfilment of God's purpose for humanity, the bringing of many sons to glory, the creating of children of God who are fellow heirs with Christ of his glory. [3] And so man, created as a personal being in the image of God, is only the raw material for a further and more difficult stage of God's creative work. This is the leading of men as relatively free and autonomous persons, through their own dealings with life in the world in which He has placed them, towards that quality of personal existence that is the finite likeness of God. The features of this likeness are revealed in the person of Christ, and the process of man's creation into it is the work of the Holy Spirit. In St. Paul's words, And we all, with unveiled faces, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being changed into his likeness from one degree of glory to another; for this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit or again, For God knew his own before ever they were, and also ordained that they should be shaped to the likeness of his Son. In Johannine terms, the movement from the image to the likeness is a transition from one level of existence, that of animal life (Bios), to another and higher level, that of eternal life (Zoe), which includes but transcends the first. And the fall of man was seen by Irenaeus as a failure within the second phase of this creative process, a failure that has multiplied the perils and complicated the route of the journey in which God is seeking to lead mankind. http://mind.ucsd.edu/syllabi/02-03/01w/readings/hick.html The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Fwd: delivering wives in Bible texts
But if it has been so decidedly rejected, why would Bahais in India present Bahaullah as an Avatar? Because it is the closest concept Hinduism has to Manifestation. But we do usually explain we don't literally mean incarnation. warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: delivering wives in Bible texts Prophets' station
i disagree with mark about this, but i understand his view. in a discussion in which frequently we see terms like most Moslems think and some poets say there is a strong appearance that the words are constructs of a culture. I think it would be more precise to say, words have no meaning, people have meanings. warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Lincoln's Statement
Susan, The link is to www.jpost.com (The Jeruasalem Post). The site must be extremely busy now (understandably). Try the URL later. Dean - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: Re: Lincoln's Statement I can't get the link to work. - Original Message - From: Dean Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:36 pm Subject: Lincoln's Statement To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu The Baha'is do not have a temple in Haifa. We have shrines. Why would Mr. Lincoln refer to the temple? Hizbullah would think it pretty neat if they destroyed our temple, said Albert Lincoln, secretary-general of the Baha'i International Community in Haifa, said Thursday. http://tinyurl.com/zxgdm The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: delivering wives in Bible texts Prophets' station
The verse recommended to me that the meanings of words are actually given by God; and that man must recognise those meanings if he is to understand the relationship between his existence and the Revelations of God. Otherwise, I believe, he will live in a confusion of words. Dear Richard, The Manifestations certainly give meaning to the Words They reveal, but otherwise its people who write dictionaries. warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: the London Times and the Gleanings
A Rabbi is calling for Muslims and Christians to revise the Koran and the New Testament, excising the passages that preach ill-will towards others.Dr Jonathan Romain, the Rabbi of Maidenhead Synagogue, says that Jewish scholars should also delete some verses from the Hebrew bible.** snip **O ye that dwell on earth! The distinguishing feature that marketh the preeminent character of this Supreme Revelation consisteth in that We have, on the one hand, blotted out from the pages of God's holy Book whatsoeverhath been the cause of strife, of malice and mischief amongst the children of men, and have, on the other, laid down the essential prerequisites of concord, of understanding, of complete and enduring unity. Well is it with them that keep My statutes. (Baha'u'llah: Gleanings, Page: 97) Khazeh jan, I'm not sure interpolating holy texts is exactly what Baha'u'llah had in mind. ;-} warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Muhammad and His return to Mecca
Dear Hasan, Here's a URL that explains it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Hudaybiyyah warmest, Susan - Original Message - From: Hasan Elias [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 6, 2006 2:42 pm Subject: Re: Muhammad and His return to Mecca To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Dear Susan, sorry my ignorance, what is that treaty? [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Dear Hasan, I don't know any historians who have made this argument. Those reputable historians perhaps most antagonistic to Islam (Crone and Conin) have usually argued that Mecca was not that big of a trade center. In any case, Muhammad had stopped being involved in merchant trade decades before this and never returned to it. Mecca was taken because their allies had broken the treaty with Medina. warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Is there self examination in Islamic societies
At this time in Middle East with the continuing hostilities, it is rather telling that in Israeli Newspapers there are dissenting views published and voiced against the policies of the government. Now turning to News Papers in English of any other country in that region on finds no such opinions expressed. I thought maybe this because most countries outside Turkey are not free societies. So notice my surprise when tuning into a CBS News broadcast from Israel where they interviewed Israeli Citizens of the Muslim faith and they had nothing good to say about Israel but more telling had nothing bad to say about any group which was none Jewish, there were understandings mitigating circumstances, but nothing bad . I than happened upon a book review by a Canadian Muslim Author which is entitled “The Trouble with Islam Today”. After reading this I began to understand. I wondered why Baha’is and Moslems on this News group did not tackle this issue, although our Moslem friends are quick to point out to us the superiority of Islam as a force of Justice in the world. Albert. The Trouble with Islam Today is an open letter from me, a Muslim voice of reform, to concerned citizens worldwide -- Muslim and not. It's about why my faith community needs to come to terms with the diversity of ideas, beliefs and people in our universe, and why non-Muslims have a pivotal role in helping us get there. The themes I'm exploring with the utmost honesty include: * the inferior treatment of women in Islam; * the Jew-bashing that so many Muslims persistently engage in; and * the continuing scourge of slavery in countries ruled by Islamic regimes. I appreciate that every faith has its share of literalists. Christians have their Evangelicals. Jews have the ultra-Orthodox. For God's sake, even Buddhists have fundamentalists. But what this book hammers home is that only in Islam is literalism mainstream.Which means that when abuse happens under the banner of Islam, most Muslims have no clue how to dissent, debate, revise or reform. The Trouble with Islam Today shatters our silence. It shows Muslims how we can re-discover Islam's lost tradition of independent thinking -- a tradition known as ijtihad -- and re-discover it precisely to update Islam for the 21st century. The opportunity to update is especially available to Muslims in the West, because it's here that we enjoy precious freedoms to think, express, challenge and be challenged without fear of state reprisal. In that sense, the Islamic reformation begins in the West. It doesn't, however, end here. Not by a long shot. People throughout the Islamic world need to know of their God-given right to think for themselves. So The Trouble with Islam Today outlines a global campaign to promote innovative approaches to Islam. I call this non-military campaign Operation Ijtihad. In turn, the West's support of this campaign will fortify national security, making Operation Ijtihad a priority for all of us who wish to live fatwa-free lives. That's the book. The question now becomes: What possessed me to write it? Once I tell you a little about me, I think you'll see where my own passion comes from. Why I'm struggling with Islam As refugees from Idi Amin's Uganda, my family and I settled just outside of Vancouver in 1972. I grew up attending two types of schools: the secular public school of most North American kids and then, for several hours at a stretch every Saturday, the Islamic religious school (madressa). I couldn't quite reconcile the open and tolerant world of my public school with the rigid and bigoted world inside my madressa. But I had enough faith to ask questions -- plenty of them. My first question for my madressa teacher was, Why can't girls lead prayer? I graduated to asking more nuanced questions, such as, If the Koran came to Prophet Muhammad as a message of peace, why did he command his army to kill an entire Jewish tribe? You can imagine that such questions irritated the hell out of my madressa teacher, who routinely put down women and trashed the Jews. He and I reached the ultimate impasse over yet another question: Where, I asked, is the evidence of the 'Jewish conspiracy' against Islam? You love to talk about it, but what's the proof? That question, posed at the age of 14, got me booted out of the madressa. Permanently. At this point, I had a choice to make: I could walk away from my Muslim faith and get on with being my emancipated North American self, or I could give Islam another chance. Out of fairness to the faith, I gave Islam another chance. And another. And another. For the past 20 years, I've been educating myself about Islam. As a result, I've discovered a progressive side of my religion -- in theory. But I remain a hugely ambivalent Muslim because of what's happening on the ground -- massive human rights violations, particularly against women and religious minorities -- in the name
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Haifa's Baha'i temple - a tempting target for Hizbullah?
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Re: Fwd: delivering wives in Bible texts
Gilberto, these are points to bear in mind from the book Making the Crooked Straight (a book made in response to attacks from an ex-bahai Francesco Ficichia): Hasan, do you have an electronic version of this book? The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
