alcohol in meals
Hi friends,Not related to quotes on alcohol, just for curiosity: Is there any rational explanation of why bahs cannot eat meals cooked with alcoholic drinks? When the alcohol boils, only the savor survives andthealcohol vaporizes.
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Re: alcohol in meals
In a message dated 8/1/2006 4:01:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
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friends,
Not
related to quotes on alcohol, just for curiosity: Is there any rational
explanation of why bahs cannot eat meals cooked with alcoholic drinks? When
the alcohol boils, only the savor survives andthealcohol
vaporizes.
This quote from Shoghi Effendi says it all:
1173. Drinking Forbidden, No Excuse to Touch It Even in Plum Pudding
"Under no circumstances should Bah's drink. It is unambiguously forbidden
in the Tablet of Bah'u'llh, that there is no excuse for them even touching it
in the form of a toast, or in a burning plum pudding; in fact, in any
way."
(From a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer,
March 3, 1957: Cited in a letter from the Universal House of Justice to the
National Assembly of Ecuador, December 21, 1972) (Compilations,
Lights of Guidance, p. 349)
Besides, there are wonderful other flavorings one can use in cooking
without alcohol
Shirley
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Re: alcohol in meals
I always felt that it meant, finally, that alcohol would be resigned
forever to the medicine cabinet and never be kept again as a food item.
And, in reach of temptation. :-) However, this is a purely personal
understanding.
Yours,
Jeanine
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Hi friends,
Not related to quotes on alcohol, just
for curiosity: Is there any rational explanation of why bahs cannot
eat meals cooked with alcoholic drinks? When the alcohol boils, only
the savor survives andthealcohol vaporizes.
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Re: alcohol in meals
Title: Re: alcohol in meals
At 9:27 PM -0400 8/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/1/2006 4:01:38 PM US Mountain
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi
friends,
Not related
to quotes on alcohol, just for curiosity: Is there any rational
explanation of why bah's cannot eat meals cooked with
alcoholic drinks? When the alcohol boils, only the savor survives
andthealcohol vaporizes.
This quote from Shoghi Effendi says it
all:
1173. Drinking Forbidden, No Excuse to Touch It Even
in Plum Pudding
Under no circumstances should Bah's drink.
It is unambiguously forbidden in the Tablet of Bah'u'llh, that
there is no excuse for them even touching it in the form of a toast,
or in a burning plum pudding; in fact, in any
way.
(From a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to an
individual believer, March 3, 1957: Cited in a letter from the
Universal House of Justice to the National Assembly of Ecuador,
December 21, 1972) (Compilations, Lights of Guidance, p.
349)
Besides, there are wonderful other flavorings one can
use in cooking without alcohol
I was thinking there was a subsequent letter from the House of
Justice saying that the decision whether to use small amounts of
alcohol based flavorings, such as vanilla was up to the individual.
The argument has been made that if there is no alcohol remaining,
then this stricture by the Guardian does not apply. That is the
rule I personally use. Thus I know of people who make
scrumptious ice cream toppings laced with rum. Even tho' there is
probably less than a tablespoon of rum per serving, I don't touch
them. (Demerara rum and coke was my drink of choice before
becoming a Baha'i.) I consider flaming rum pudding to be, at least
potentially, in this category. On the other hand, I have no
qualms about using small amounts of alcohol based flavorings in quick
breads, cookies, etc. Given that even if unbaked, there would
typically be less than one sixteenth of a teaspoon of alcohol per
serving, I am going to use them.
On the other hand, the so-called alcohol free beers are only
*legally* alcohol free in some (all?) cases. I know a Baha'i who
was freely imbibing them one evening until he realized he was getting
a bit high. Checking the label, he found that they contained 1/2
of 1 per cent alcohol, which in his state made them legally alcohol
free. A half dozen of them is like having a can of regular
(U.S.) beer.
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Re: alcohol in meals
Hi Don,So, Do you think is permissible for bah's to eat a meal cooked with alcoholic drink? A meal where alcohol is vaporized? I don't see any argument against this, if alcohol is gone, so why we can't eat that meal?Don Calkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi: ...The argument has been made that if there is no alcohol remaining, then this stricture by the Guardian does not
apply. That is the rule I personally use...
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Re: alcohol in meals
Title: Re: alcohol in meals
At 11:19 PM -0500 8/1/06, Hasan Elias wrote:
Hi
Don,
So, Do you think is
permissible for bah's to eat a meal cooked with alcoholic drink?
A meal where alcohol is vaporized? I don't see any argument against
this, if alcohol is gone, so why we can't eat that meal?
I have a neighbor that regularly bastes his grilled ribs with
beer. I can't imagine there is a significant amount of alcohol
in the finished product. I eat them. (I also can't see any
improvement in basting with beer, so I'll never do it myself.) I
don't trust the alcohol to be gone from flambeaus, so I don't eat
them.
Basically, if I see the amount of alcohol per serving as being
insignificant, e.g, a few drops, I don't worry about it. Many
ripe fruits have that much alcohol per serving. On the other
hand, it bothers me a bit that some Baha'is make a big deal out of
using liquors as a flavoring agent. As Shirley noted, generally
there are excellent alternatives, such as fruit juices and ciders,
that work just as well; and I don't think it is appropriate for us to
have bottles of booze sitting around. But I'm not about to give
up my extracts, which have 30 to 90 per cent alcohol by volume,
because Shoghi Effendi said not to eat flaming rum puddings or sip a
toast. I think we need to use some common sense.
[Happen to think - for you Europeans, traditional American cider
was not necessarily alcoholic. In addition to the yeast
fermented drinks, Americans also found out about bacterial fermented
fruit juices. While apple and pear are the most common, in some
areas you can also find cherry, rasberry and prob others. They
have a high acid content and distinct flavor. Delicious if you
can find the real thing.]
Don C
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RE: alcohol in meals
Is there any rational explanation of why bahá'ís cannot eat meals cooked with alcoholic drinks? When the alcohol boils, only the savor survives and the alcohol vaporizes. There was a study conducted in the early 1990's at one of the universities in the state of Washington that disproved this. The study found that depending on how the food was prepared, 20 - 85% of the alcohol is retained in foods prepared with various alcoholic liquids. I can't find my file copy of it, but it was published in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association. At one time the US Department of Agriculture published a table that showed how much alcohol remains in stews, sauces, etc., containing ingredients such as wine and brandy. Hope this helps. - Sandra Huit The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
