Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I know a Baha'i scholar here who says he met a grandson of Abdul Baha. I'm not sure which grandson, but the man made it clear his father broke the covenant. He broke all ties with his father and stood steadfast in the cause. Not once did he claim the role of guardianship or any such leadership role based on his lineage. Abdul Baha never claimed that the guardianship was meant to be a permanent institution. The Kitab-i-Aqdas makes it clear that leadership will pass from the Aghsan to the people of Baha. The topic is clear and I see no reason why there should be any further discussion on it. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Sen Sonja sen.so...@casema.nl wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 27 Aug 2010 at 12:03, Gilberto Simpson wrote: If any of Bahaullah's descendants joined the mainstream Bahais would they be eligible for being Guardian or any other special role? They could not be the Guardian, since the prospective Guardian had to be nominated by his predecessor, and the choice approved by majority vote of a body of nine Hands of the Cause. The Guardianship is therefore definitively terminated (pending another Manifestation who will do as She pleases). See on my blog: http://tinyurl.com/NocounterfeitGuardians However the descendants of Baha'u'llah might have a position of honour. In the Kitab-e `ahd Baha'u'llah writes: It is incumbent upon everyone to show courtesy to, and have regard for the Aghsan, that thereby the Cause of God may be glorified and His Word exalted. This injunction hath time and again been mentioned and recorded in the Holy Writ. Well is it with him who is enabled to achieve that which the Ordainer, the Ancient of Days hath prescribed for him. Ye are bidden moreover to respect the members of the Holy Household, the Afnan and the kindred. ... (Baha'u'llah, Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 221) Sen -- -- Sen McGlinn http://senmcglinn.wordpress.com *** In reality, the radiant, pure hearts are the Mashrak-el-Azcar and from them the voice of supplication and invocation continually reacheth the Supreme Concourse. Tablets of `Abdu'l-Baha Abbas, p. 678 -- -- __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:mak8...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-523097-22521...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-523366-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Minhaj Khan, I would truly be grateful if you could provide some references for your statement that Abdul Baha never claimed that the guardianship was meant to be a permanent institution [and] The Kitab-i-Aqdas makes it clear that leadership will pass from the Aghsan to the people of Baha. Best wishes, Ian Kluge - Original Message - From: Minhaj Khan mak8...@gmail.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:28 AM Subject: Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship The Baha'i Studies Listserv I know a Baha'i scholar here who says he met a grandson of Abdul Baha. I'm not sure which grandson, but the man made it clear his father broke the covenant. He broke all ties with his father and stood steadfast in the cause. Not once did he claim the role of guardianship or any such leadership role based on his lineage. Abdul Baha never claimed that the guardianship was meant to be a permanent institution. The Kitab-i-Aqdas makes it clear that leadership will pass from the Aghsan to the people of Baha. The topic is clear and I see no reason why there should be any further discussion on it. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Sen Sonja sen.so...@casema.nl wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 27 Aug 2010 at 12:03, Gilberto Simpson wrote: If any of Bahaullah's descendants joined the mainstream Bahais would they be eligible for being Guardian or any other special role? They could not be the Guardian, since the prospective Guardian had to be nominated by his predecessor, and the choice approved by majority vote of a body of nine Hands of the Cause. The Guardianship is therefore definitively terminated (pending another Manifestation who will do as She pleases). See on my blog: http://tinyurl.com/NocounterfeitGuardians However the descendants of Baha'u'llah might have a position of honour. In the Kitab-e `ahd Baha'u'llah writes: It is incumbent upon everyone to show courtesy to, and have regard for the Aghsan, that thereby the Cause of God may be glorified and His Word exalted. This injunction hath time and again been mentioned and recorded in the Holy Writ. Well is it with him who is enabled to achieve that which the Ordainer, the Ancient of Days hath prescribed for him. Ye are bidden moreover to respect the members of the Holy Household, the Afnan and the kindred. ... (Baha'u'llah, Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 221) Sen -- -- Sen McGlinn http://senmcglinn.wordpress.com *** In reality, the radiant, pure hearts are the Mashrak-el-Azcar and from them the voice of supplication and invocation continually reacheth the Supreme Concourse. Tablets of `Abdu'l-Baha Abbas, p. 678 -- -- __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:mak8...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-523097-22521...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:iankl...@netbistro.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-523366-243...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-523428-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Read the Kitab-i-Adqas and the Will and Testament of Abdul-Baha. It is all in completely and clearly in there I assure you. Try the indexes. That is what I did. Best of luck in your research! Sincerely, Shamim Bina On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Ian Kluge iankl...@netbistro.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Minhaj Khan, I would truly be grateful if you could provide some references for your statement that Abdul Baha never claimed that the guardianship was meant to be a permanent institution [and] The Kitab-i-Aqdas makes it clear that leadership will pass from the Aghsan to the people of Baha. Best wishes, Ian Kluge - Original Message - From: Minhaj Khan mak8...@gmail.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:28 AM Subject: Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship The Baha'i Studies Listserv I know a Baha'i scholar here who says he met a grandson of Abdul Baha. I'm not sure which grandson, but the man made it clear his father broke the covenant. He broke all ties with his father and stood steadfast in the cause. Not once did he claim the role of guardianship or any such leadership role based on his lineage. Abdul Baha never claimed that the guardianship was meant to be a permanent institution. The Kitab-i-Aqdas makes it clear that leadership will pass from the Aghsan to the people of Baha. The topic is clear and I see no reason why there should be any further discussion on it. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Sen Sonja sen.so...@casema.nl wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 27 Aug 2010 at 12:03, Gilberto Simpson wrote: If any of Bahaullah's descendants joined the mainstream Bahais would they be eligible for being Guardian or any other special role? They could not be the Guardian, since the prospective Guardian had to be nominated by his predecessor, and the choice approved by majority vote of a body of nine Hands of the Cause. The Guardianship is therefore definitively terminated (pending another Manifestation who will do as She pleases). See on my blog: http://tinyurl.com/NocounterfeitGuardians However the descendants of Baha'u'llah might have a position of honour. In the Kitab-e `ahd Baha'u'llah writes: It is incumbent upon everyone to show courtesy to, and have regard for the Aghsan, that thereby the Cause of God may be glorified and His Word exalted. This injunction hath time and again been mentioned and recorded in the Holy Writ. Well is it with him who is enabled to achieve that which the Ordainer, the Ancient of Days hath prescribed for him. Ye are bidden moreover to respect the members of the Holy Household, the Afnan and the kindred. ... (Baha'u'llah, Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 221) Sen -- -- Sen McGlinn http://senmcglinn.wordpress.com *** In reality, the radiant, pure hearts are the Mashrak-el-Azcar and from them the voice of supplication and invocation continually reacheth the Supreme Concourse. Tablets of `Abdu'l-Baha Abbas, p. 678 -- -- __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:mak8...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: leave-523097-22521...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:iankl...@netbistro.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: leave-523366-243...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:shamimb...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: leave-523428-19442...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i
Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I would truly be grateful if you could provide some references for your statement that Abdul Baha never claimed that the guardianship was meant to be a permanent institution [and] The Kitab-i-Aqdas makes it clear that leadership will pass from the Aghsan to the people of Baha. Dear Ian, I'm not sure how one could provide a reference for something that Abdu'l-Baha *didn't* indicate, but as for the reference in the Aqdas, I presume she is referring to this passage: Endowments dedicated to charity revert to God, the Revealer of Signs. None hath the right to dispose of 35 them without leave from Him Who is the Dawning-place of Revelation. After Him, this authority shall pass to the Aghsan, and after them to the House of Justice -- should it be established in the world by then -- that they may use these endowments for the benefit of the Places which have been exalted in this Cause, and for whatsoever hath been enjoined upon them by Him Who is the God of might and power. Otherwise, the endowments shall revert to the people of Baha who speak not except by His leave and judge not save in accordance with what God hath decreed in this Tablet -- lo, they are the champions of victory betwixt heaven and earth -- that they may use them in the manner that hath been laid down in the Book by God, the Mighty, the Bountiful. (Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 34) warmest, Susan __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-523432-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I'm having some difficulty understanding this. Who might this grandson have been? My understanding is that before Shoghi Effendi passed away, all the aghsan had, unfortunately, broken the Covenant. No? Who is this Baha'i scholar? And can you please ask him/her to give you the specific name of this grandson and the names of his parents? Best regards, Iskandar On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Minhaj Khan mak8...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I know a Baha'i scholar here who says he met a grandson of Abdul Baha. I'm not sure which grandson, but the man made it clear his father broke the covenant. He broke all ties with his father and stood steadfast in the cause. Not once did he claim the role of guardianship or any such leadership role based on his lineage. Abdul Baha never claimed that the guardianship was meant to be a permanent institution. The Kitab-i-Aqdas makes it clear that leadership will pass from the Aghsan to the people of Baha. The topic is clear and I see no reason why there should be any further discussion on it. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Sen Sonja sen.so...@casema.nl wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 27 Aug 2010 at 12:03, Gilberto Simpson wrote: If any of Bahaullah's descendants joined the mainstream Bahais would they be eligible for being Guardian or any other special role? They could not be the Guardian, since the prospective Guardian had to be nominated by his predecessor, and the choice approved by majority vote of a body of nine Hands of the Cause. The Guardianship is therefore definitively terminated (pending another Manifestation who will do as She pleases). See on my blog: http://tinyurl.com/NocounterfeitGuardians However the descendants of Baha'u'llah might have a position of honour. In the Kitab-e `ahd Baha'u'llah writes: It is incumbent upon everyone to show courtesy to, and have regard for the Aghsan, that thereby the Cause of God may be glorified and His Word exalted. This injunction hath time and again been mentioned and recorded in the Holy Writ. Well is it with him who is enabled to achieve that which the Ordainer, the Ancient of Days hath prescribed for him. Ye are bidden moreover to respect the members of the Holy Household, the Afnan and the kindred. ... (Baha'u'llah, Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 221) Sen -- -- Sen McGlinnhttp://senmcglinn.wordpress.com *** In reality, the radiant, pure hearts are the Mashrak-el-Azcar and from them the voice of supplication and invocation continually reacheth the Supreme Concourse. Tablets of `Abdu'l-Baha Abbas, p. 678 -- -- __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:mak8...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: leave-523097-22521...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:iskandar@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: leave-523366-20805...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu -- Sacred cows make the best hamburgers __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-523456-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public -
Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The scholar is Mr Pirooz Fazli living in Hyderabad, India. He told me that he was well acquainted with Ruhiyyih Khanum and a couple of other Hands of the Cause. I'll probably be meeting him tomorrow, I'll ask him for the names. All the Aghsan did break the covenant. However, this particular grandson realised his family was in grave error. He broke away from them, and became a party to the covenant. I assume he has passed away by now. On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Iskandar Hai, M.D. iskandar@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I'm having some difficulty understanding this. Who might this grandson have been? My understanding is that before Shoghi Effendi passed away, all the aghsan had, unfortunately, broken the Covenant. No? Who is this Baha'i scholar? And can you please ask him/her to give you the specific name of this grandson and the names of his parents? Best regards, Iskandar On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Minhaj Khan mak8...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I know a Baha'i scholar here who says he met a grandson of Abdul Baha. I'm not sure which grandson, but the man made it clear his father broke the covenant. He broke all ties with his father and stood steadfast in the cause. Not once did he claim the role of guardianship or any such leadership role based on his lineage. Abdul Baha never claimed that the guardianship was meant to be a permanent institution. The Kitab-i-Aqdas makes it clear that leadership will pass from the Aghsan to the people of Baha. The topic is clear and I see no reason why there should be any further discussion on it. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Sen Sonja sen.so...@casema.nl wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 27 Aug 2010 at 12:03, Gilberto Simpson wrote: If any of Bahaullah's descendants joined the mainstream Bahais would they be eligible for being Guardian or any other special role? They could not be the Guardian, since the prospective Guardian had to be nominated by his predecessor, and the choice approved by majority vote of a body of nine Hands of the Cause. The Guardianship is therefore definitively terminated (pending another Manifestation who will do as She pleases). See on my blog: http://tinyurl.com/NocounterfeitGuardians However the descendants of Baha'u'llah might have a position of honour. In the Kitab-e `ahd Baha'u'llah writes: It is incumbent upon everyone to show courtesy to, and have regard for the Aghsan, that thereby the Cause of God may be glorified and His Word exalted. This injunction hath time and again been mentioned and recorded in the Holy Writ. Well is it with him who is enabled to achieve that which the Ordainer, the Ancient of Days hath prescribed for him. Ye are bidden moreover to respect the members of the Holy Household, the Afnan and the kindred. ... (Baha'u'llah, Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 221) Sen -- -- Sen McGlinn http://senmcglinn.wordpress.com *** In reality, the radiant, pure hearts are the Mashrak-el-Azcar and from them the voice of supplication and invocation continually reacheth the Supreme Concourse. Tablets of `Abdu'l-Baha Abbas, p. 678 -- -- __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:mak8...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-523097-22521...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:iskandar@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-523366-20805...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu -- Sacred cows make the best hamburgers __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies
Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship
The Baha'i Studies Listserv According to the Will and Testament of `Abdu'l-Baha, a Guardian would have to be designated as such by his predecesor. This, obviously, can't happen any longer. Best regards, Iskandar On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Gilberto Simpson gilberto.simp...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv If any of Bahaullah's descendants joined the mainstream Bahais would they be eligible for being Guardian or any other special role? __ -- Sacred cows make the best hamburgers __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-523036-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Does anyone have a sense of what the descendants of Bahaullah actually believe in terms of religion? There is a clip on Youtube of Bahaullah's great-granddaughter and she says something about being a true Bahai. So do they believe that Bahaullah was a Manifestion without accepting the current institutions of the UHJ? If any of Bahaullah's descendants joined the mainstream Bahais would they be eligible for being Guardian or any other special role? __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-523031-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Does anyone have a sense of what the descendants of Bahaullah actually believe in terms of religion? Most of Baha'u'llah's descendants who broke the Covenant were reabsorbed back into Islam. Some even intermarried with the family of the Mufti of Jerusalem and became PLO leaders. Most left Palestine after 1948 but the granddaughter you mentioned married a Jewish dentist and remained behind. Her father was Muhammad Ali who insisted Baha'u'llah was more of a Sufi Shaykh than a Manifestation. Bahaullah's descendants joined the mainstream Bahais would they be eligible for being Guardian or any other special role? No, because they have to be appointed by the previous Guardian and approved by the Hands of the Cause, neither of which is still with us. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-523061-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The mother of this dame was Qamar Baha'i, a person who caused much suffering to Shoghi Effendi. It is very difficult for them to join the Bahá'í Faith because they worship Muhammad-Ali. 2010/8/27 Gilberto Simpson gilberto.simp...@gmail.com The Baha'i Studies Listserv Does anyone have a sense of what the descendants of Bahaullah actually believe in terms of religion? There is a clip on Youtube of Bahaullah's great-granddaughter and she says something about being a true Bahai. So do they believe that Bahaullah was a Manifestion without accepting the current institutions of the UHJ? If any of Bahaullah's descendants joined the mainstream Bahais would they be eligible for being Guardian or any other special role? __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:badi...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: leave-523031-1610...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu -- Dos piedras preciosas, la una falsa y la otra buena, son difíciles de distinguir: la firmeza y la obstinación. Johann Georg Kohl __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-523077-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 27 Aug 2010 at 12:03, Gilberto Simpson wrote: If any of Bahaullah's descendants joined the mainstream Bahais would they be eligible for being Guardian or any other special role? They could not be the Guardian, since the prospective Guardian had to be nominated by his predecessor, and the choice approved by majority vote of a body of nine Hands of the Cause. The Guardianship is therefore definitively terminated (pending another Manifestation who will do as She pleases). See on my blog: http://tinyurl.com/NocounterfeitGuardians However the descendants of Baha'u'llah might have a position of honour. In the Kitab-e `ahd Baha'u'llah writes: It is incumbent upon everyone to show courtesy to, and have regard for the Aghsan, that thereby the Cause of God may be glorified and His Word exalted. This injunction hath time and again been mentioned and recorded in the Holy Writ. Well is it with him who is enabled to achieve that which the Ordainer, the Ancient of Days hath prescribed for him. Ye are bidden moreover to respect the members of the Holy Household, the Afnan and the kindred. ... (Baha'u'llah, Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 221) Sen -- -- Sen McGlinnhttp://senmcglinn.wordpress.com *** In reality, the radiant, pure hearts are the Mashrak-el-Azcar and from them the voice of supplication and invocation continually reacheth the Supreme Concourse. Tablets of `Abdu'l-Baha Abbas, p. 678 -- -- __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-523097-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
