Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Ship: Tabbed web apps

[Brett Wilson]

To follow up, there's a nice shout out at Google I/O about this feature and
also mentions that Figma is trying it:

https://youtu.be/KFeuEMAaKfM?si=pr71c4hfxhI5RbT0=1039

On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 6:08 PM Matt Giuca  wrote:

> Thanks everyone. This is now enabled on ToT in 126.
>
> On Fri, 10 May 2024 at 17:59, TAMURA, Kent  wrote:
>
>> LGTM3.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 2:41 AM Mike Taylor 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> LGTM2
>>> On 5/9/24 10:48 AM, Chris Harrelson wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for these clarifications.
>>>
>>> LGTM1
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 6:05 PM Daniel Murphy 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We don't have an objection to this feature existing - it's actually
 currently in our backlog. But it is very low in our priority list. While we
 can review patches, we will not be able to dedicate resources for
 consultation or maintenance.

 On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 9:19 AM Brett Wilson 
 wrote:

> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 8:39 AM Alex Russell 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm happy for this to be CrOS first, but would like to unpack Brett's
>> statement above a bit. If we (MSFT) were to polish this up for Windows,
>> would patches for that be accepted?
>>
>
> I can't speak for the browser team. But my current understanding is
> that the browser team likes this in principle but doesn't prioritize it
> high enough to work on it right now (this is a correction from my previous
> assertion). So I'm pretty sure patches enabling this for other platforms
> would be accepted.
>
> Brett
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Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Ship: Tabbed web apps

[Matt Giuca]

Thanks everyone. This is now enabled on ToT in 126.

On Fri, 10 May 2024 at 17:59, TAMURA, Kent  wrote:

> LGTM3.
>
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 2:41 AM Mike Taylor 
> wrote:
>
>> LGTM2
>> On 5/9/24 10:48 AM, Chris Harrelson wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for these clarifications.
>>
>> LGTM1
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 6:05 PM Daniel Murphy  wrote:
>>
>>> We don't have an objection to this feature existing - it's actually
>>> currently in our backlog. But it is very low in our priority list. While we
>>> can review patches, we will not be able to dedicate resources for
>>> consultation or maintenance.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 9:19 AM Brett Wilson  wrote:
>>>
 On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 8:39 AM Alex Russell 
 wrote:

> I'm happy for this to be CrOS first, but would like to unpack Brett's
> statement above a bit. If we (MSFT) were to polish this up for Windows,
> would patches for that be accepted?
>

 I can't speak for the browser team. But my current understanding is
 that the browser team likes this in principle but doesn't prioritize it
 high enough to work on it right now (this is a correction from my previous
 assertion). So I'm pretty sure patches enabling this for other platforms
 would be accepted.

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Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Ship: Tabbed web apps

[TAMURA, Kent]

LGTM3.


On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 2:41 AM Mike Taylor  wrote:

> LGTM2
> On 5/9/24 10:48 AM, Chris Harrelson wrote:
>
> Thanks for these clarifications.
>
> LGTM1
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 6:05 PM Daniel Murphy  wrote:
>
>> We don't have an objection to this feature existing - it's actually
>> currently in our backlog. But it is very low in our priority list. While we
>> can review patches, we will not be able to dedicate resources for
>> consultation or maintenance.
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 9:19 AM Brett Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 8:39 AM Alex Russell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm happy for this to be CrOS first, but would like to unpack Brett's
 statement above a bit. If we (MSFT) were to polish this up for Windows,
 would patches for that be accepted?

>>>
>>> I can't speak for the browser team. But my current understanding is that
>>> the browser team likes this in principle but doesn't prioritize it high
>>> enough to work on it right now (this is a correction from my previous
>>> assertion). So I'm pretty sure patches enabling this for other platforms
>>> would be accepted.
>>>
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Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Ship: Tabbed web apps

[Mike Taylor]

LGTM2

On 5/9/24 10:48 AM, Chris Harrelson wrote:

Thanks for these clarifications.

LGTM1

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 6:05 PM Daniel Murphy  wrote:

We don't have an objection to this feature existing - it's
actually currently in our backlog. But it is very low in our
priority list. While we can review patches, we will not be able to
dedicate resources for consultation or maintenance.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 9:19 AM Brett Wilson 
wrote:

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 8:39 AM Alex Russell
 wrote:

I'm happy for this to be CrOS first, but would like to
unpack Brett's statement above a bit. If we (MSFT) were to
polish this up for Windows, would patches for that be
accepted?


I can't speak for the browser team. But my current
understanding is that the browser team likes this in principle
but doesn't prioritize it high enough to work on it right now
(this is a correction from my previous assertion). So I'm
pretty sure patches enabling this for other platforms would be
accepted.

Brett
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Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Ship: Tabbed web apps

[Chris Harrelson]

Thanks for these clarifications.

LGTM1

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 6:05 PM Daniel Murphy  wrote:

> We don't have an objection to this feature existing - it's actually
> currently in our backlog. But it is very low in our priority list. While we
> can review patches, we will not be able to dedicate resources for
> consultation or maintenance.
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 9:19 AM Brett Wilson  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 8:39 AM Alex Russell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm happy for this to be CrOS first, but would like to unpack Brett's
>>> statement above a bit. If we (MSFT) were to polish this up for Windows,
>>> would patches for that be accepted?
>>>
>>
>> I can't speak for the browser team. But my current understanding is that
>> the browser team likes this in principle but doesn't prioritize it high
>> enough to work on it right now (this is a correction from my previous
>> assertion). So I'm pretty sure patches enabling this for other platforms
>> would be accepted.
>>
>> Brett
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Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Ship: Tabbed web apps

[Daniel Murphy]

We don't have an objection to this feature existing - it's actually
currently in our backlog. But it is very low in our priority list. While we
can review patches, we will not be able to dedicate resources for
consultation or maintenance.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 9:19 AM Brett Wilson  wrote:

> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 8:39 AM Alex Russell 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm happy for this to be CrOS first, but would like to unpack Brett's
>> statement above a bit. If we (MSFT) were to polish this up for Windows,
>> would patches for that be accepted?
>>
>
> I can't speak for the browser team. But my current understanding is that
> the browser team likes this in principle but doesn't prioritize it high
> enough to work on it right now (this is a correction from my previous
> assertion). So I'm pretty sure patches enabling this for other platforms
> would be accepted.
>
> Brett
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Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Ship: Tabbed web apps

[Brett Wilson]

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 8:39 AM Alex Russell 
wrote:

> I'm happy for this to be CrOS first, but would like to unpack Brett's
> statement above a bit. If we (MSFT) were to polish this up for Windows,
> would patches for that be accepted?
>

I can't speak for the browser team. But my current understanding is that
the browser team likes this in principle but doesn't prioritize it high
enough to work on it right now (this is a correction from my previous
assertion). So I'm pretty sure patches enabling this for other platforms
would be accepted.

Brett

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Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Ship: Tabbed web apps

[Alex Russell]

I'm happy for this to be CrOS first, but would like to unpack Brett's 
statement above a bit. If we (MSFT) were to polish this up for Windows, 
would patches for that be accepted?

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:25:26 PM UTC-7 Matt Giuca wrote:

> Hi Yoav,
>
> The API was specifically designed to allow developers to customize the 
> fallback, so the short answer is "whatever fallback they want".
>
> Since the "display" Manifest member only allows for a single string, 
> adding a new value there would break backwards compatibility for any site 
> that used the new value. That is why we do not allow "tabbed" and other new 
> display modes in that member; they can only be used in the new 
> "display_override" member which is a list of display modes representing a 
> developer-supplied fallback chain, with the final fallback being the value 
> of the old "display" member.
>
> So developers can generally choose between two configurations:
>
>1. "display_override": ["tabbed"], "display": "standalone"
>2. "display_override": ["tabbed"], "display": "browser"
>
> If they choose #1, non-supported platforms will fall back to a standalone 
> non-tabbed window (feeling like an app but not having a tabbed experience). 
> If they choose #2, non-supported platforms will fall back to not having a 
> separate window and just opening the content in the browser (giving the 
> user a tabbed experience but not feeling like an app).
>
> We would recommend that developers fall back to whatever they are already 
> using. That way, tabbed mode is an additive experience (currently only on 
> ChromeOS but automatically upgrading to that experience on any platform 
> that supports it in the future), with a graceful degradation to the status 
> quo.
>
> Therefore, we don't think cross platform support for this feature is 
> necessary, though of course it has been designed for this as a future 
> possibility. Also there is nothing ChromeOS-specific about this design, as 
> Marijn pointed out, it just hasn't been prioritized by the engineering team 
> outside of ChromeOS.
>
> Regards
>
> Matt
>
> On Tue, 7 May 2024 at 19:24, Yoav Weiss (@Shopify)  
> wrote:
>
>> Can you elaborate on the cross-platform story here? What kind of fallback 
>> do we expect developers to use in non-supporting platforms?
>>
>> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 12:34 AM Marijn Kruisselbrink  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think there are major technical reasons, no. With some rough 
>>> edges the flagged implementation should more or less work on other 
>>> desktop platforms as well. My understanding is that this is largely a 
>>> product choice and a choice not to prioritize the remaining engineering 
>>> needed to clean up the rough edges on other desktop platforms.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 3:29 PM Daniel Herr  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 May I ask why? I've tried out the flagged implementation on Chrome OS, 
 and I think it is a pretty nice UI paradigm. I don't see any technical 
 reason it shouldn't be available on other platforms.

 On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 10:30:58 AM UTC-4 Brett Wilson wrote:

> On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 3:02 AM Yoav Weiss (@Shopify) <
> yoav...@chromium.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:28 PM Brett Wilson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Contact emailsbre...@chromium.org, alanc...@chromium.org, 
>>> mgi...@chromium.org, loub...@google.com
>>>
>>> Explainer
>>> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/tabbed-mode-explainer.md
>>>
>>> Specificationhttps://wicg.github.io/manifest-incubations/#dfn-tabbed
>>>
>>> Summary
>>>
>>> Allow web app windows to have a tab strip. This adds a new display 
>>> mode "tabbed" and a new manifest field to allow customizations to the 
>>> tab 
>>> strip.
>>>
>>>
>>> Blink componentBlink>AppManifest 
>>> 
>>>
>>> TAG reviewhttps://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/841
>>>
>>> TAG review statusIssues addressed
>>>
>>> Chromium Trial NameWebAppTabStrip
>>>
>>> Link to origin trial feedback summary
>>> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/issues
>>>
>>> Origin Trial documentation link
>>> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/tabbed-mode-explainer.md
>>>
>>> Risks
>>>
>>>
>>> Interoperability and Compatibility
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gecko*: Defer (
>>> https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/811)
>>>
>>> *WebKit*: No signal (
>>> https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/195)
>>>
>>> *Web developers*: Positive (
>>> https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/737)
>>>
>>> *Other signals*:
>>>
>>> WebView application risks
>>>
>>> Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing APIs, such 
>>> that it has 

Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Ship: Tabbed web apps

[Matt Giuca]

Hi Yoav,

The API was specifically designed to allow developers to customize the
fallback, so the short answer is "whatever fallback they want".

Since the "display" Manifest member only allows for a single string, adding
a new value there would break backwards compatibility for any site that
used the new value. That is why we do not allow "tabbed" and other new
display modes in that member; they can only be used in the new
"display_override" member which is a list of display modes representing a
developer-supplied fallback chain, with the final fallback being the value
of the old "display" member.

So developers can generally choose between two configurations:

   1. "display_override": ["tabbed"], "display": "standalone"
   2. "display_override": ["tabbed"], "display": "browser"

If they choose #1, non-supported platforms will fall back to a standalone
non-tabbed window (feeling like an app but not having a tabbed experience).
If they choose #2, non-supported platforms will fall back to not having a
separate window and just opening the content in the browser (giving the
user a tabbed experience but not feeling like an app).

We would recommend that developers fall back to whatever they are already
using. That way, tabbed mode is an additive experience (currently only on
ChromeOS but automatically upgrading to that experience on any platform
that supports it in the future), with a graceful degradation to the status
quo.

Therefore, we don't think cross platform support for this feature is
necessary, though of course it has been designed for this as a future
possibility. Also there is nothing ChromeOS-specific about this design, as
Marijn pointed out, it just hasn't been prioritized by the engineering team
outside of ChromeOS.

Regards

Matt

On Tue, 7 May 2024 at 19:24, Yoav Weiss (@Shopify) 
wrote:

> Can you elaborate on the cross-platform story here? What kind of fallback
> do we expect developers to use in non-supporting platforms?
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 12:34 AM Marijn Kruisselbrink 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't think there are major technical reasons, no. With some rough
>> edges the flagged implementation should more or less work on other
>> desktop platforms as well. My understanding is that this is largely a
>> product choice and a choice not to prioritize the remaining engineering
>> needed to clean up the rough edges on other desktop platforms.
>>
>> On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 3:29 PM Daniel Herr 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> May I ask why? I've tried out the flagged implementation on Chrome OS,
>>> and I think it is a pretty nice UI paradigm. I don't see any technical
>>> reason it shouldn't be available on other platforms.
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 10:30:58 AM UTC-4 Brett Wilson wrote:
>>>
 On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 3:02 AM Yoav Weiss (@Shopify) <
 yoav...@chromium.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:28 PM Brett Wilson 
> wrote:
>
>> Contact emailsbre...@chromium.org, alanc...@chromium.org,
>> mgi...@chromium.org, loub...@google.com
>>
>> Explainer
>> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/tabbed-mode-explainer.md
>>
>> Specificationhttps://wicg.github.io/manifest-incubations/#dfn-tabbed
>>
>> Summary
>>
>> Allow web app windows to have a tab strip. This adds a new display
>> mode "tabbed" and a new manifest field to allow customizations to the tab
>> strip.
>>
>>
>> Blink componentBlink>AppManifest
>> 
>>
>> TAG reviewhttps://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/841
>>
>> TAG review statusIssues addressed
>>
>> Chromium Trial NameWebAppTabStrip
>>
>> Link to origin trial feedback summary
>> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/issues
>>
>> Origin Trial documentation link
>> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/tabbed-mode-explainer.md
>>
>> Risks
>>
>>
>> Interoperability and Compatibility
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gecko*: Defer (
>> https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/811)
>>
>> *WebKit*: No signal (
>> https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/195)
>>
>> *Web developers*: Positive (
>> https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/737)
>>
>> *Other signals*:
>>
>> WebView application risks
>>
>> Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing APIs, such
>> that it has potentially high risk for Android WebView-based applications?
>>
>> N/A
>>
>>
>> Debuggability
>>
>> chrome://web-app-internals can be used for debugging, and the new
>> manifest field could also be added to the DevTools Application pane.
>>
>>
>> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows,
>> Mac, Linux, ChromeOS, Android, and Android WebView)?No
>>
>> The origin 

Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Ship: Tabbed web apps

[Yoav Weiss (@Shopify)]

Can you elaborate on the cross-platform story here? What kind of fallback
do we expect developers to use in non-supporting platforms?

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 12:34 AM Marijn Kruisselbrink 
wrote:

> I don't think there are major technical reasons, no. With some rough edges
> the flagged implementation should more or less work on other
> desktop platforms as well. My understanding is that this is largely a
> product choice and a choice not to prioritize the remaining engineering
> needed to clean up the rough edges on other desktop platforms.
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 3:29 PM Daniel Herr 
> wrote:
>
>> May I ask why? I've tried out the flagged implementation on Chrome OS,
>> and I think it is a pretty nice UI paradigm. I don't see any technical
>> reason it shouldn't be available on other platforms.
>>
>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 10:30:58 AM UTC-4 Brett Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 3:02 AM Yoav Weiss (@Shopify) <
>>> yoav...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>


 On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:28 PM Brett Wilson 
 wrote:

> Contact emailsbre...@chromium.org, alanc...@chromium.org,
> mgi...@chromium.org, loub...@google.com
>
> Explainer
> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/tabbed-mode-explainer.md
>
> Specificationhttps://wicg.github.io/manifest-incubations/#dfn-tabbed
>
> Summary
>
> Allow web app windows to have a tab strip. This adds a new display
> mode "tabbed" and a new manifest field to allow customizations to the tab
> strip.
>
>
> Blink componentBlink>AppManifest
> 
>
> TAG reviewhttps://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/841
>
> TAG review statusIssues addressed
>
> Chromium Trial NameWebAppTabStrip
>
> Link to origin trial feedback summary
> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/issues
>
> Origin Trial documentation link
> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/tabbed-mode-explainer.md
>
> Risks
>
>
> Interoperability and Compatibility
>
>
>
> *Gecko*: Defer (
> https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/811)
>
> *WebKit*: No signal (
> https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/195)
>
> *Web developers*: Positive (https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/737
> )
>
> *Other signals*:
>
> WebView application risks
>
> Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing APIs, such
> that it has potentially high risk for Android WebView-based applications?
>
> N/A
>
>
> Debuggability
>
> chrome://web-app-internals can be used for debugging, and the new
> manifest field could also be added to the DevTools Application pane.
>
>
> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows,
> Mac, Linux, ChromeOS, Android, and Android WebView)?No
>
> The origin trial is available on ChromeOS only. Support for other
> desktop platforms is planned.
>
>
> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests
> 
> ?Yes
>
>
> https://github.com/web-platform-tests/wpt/tree/master/appmanifest/display-override-member
>
>
> Flag name on chrome://flags
> chrome://flags/#enable-desktop-pwas-tab-strip
>
> Finch feature nameDesktopPWAsTabStrip
>
> Requires code in //chrome?True
>
> Tracking bughttps://issuetracker.google.com/issues/40598974
>
> Launch bughttps://launch.corp.google.com/launch/4253814
>
> MeasurementLaunch.WebAppDisplayMode: Tabbed
>
> Availability expectationFeature is available only on
> Chrome-on-ChromeOS for the foreseeable future.
>

 This seems a bit contradictory with "Support for other desktop
 platforms is planned" above. Are there plans for support beyond CrOS?

>
> 


>>> Sorry, the first part was a mistake. Chrome team has requested this not
>>> be on other platforms now.
>>>
>>> Brett
>>>
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Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Ship: Tabbed web apps

[Marijn Kruisselbrink]

I don't think there are major technical reasons, no. With some rough edges
the flagged implementation should more or less work on other
desktop platforms as well. My understanding is that this is largely a
product choice and a choice not to prioritize the remaining engineering
needed to clean up the rough edges on other desktop platforms.

On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 3:29 PM Daniel Herr 
wrote:

> May I ask why? I've tried out the flagged implementation on Chrome OS, and
> I think it is a pretty nice UI paradigm. I don't see any technical reason
> it shouldn't be available on other platforms.
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 10:30:58 AM UTC-4 Brett Wilson wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 3:02 AM Yoav Weiss (@Shopify) <
>> yoav...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:28 PM Brett Wilson  wrote:
>>>
 Contact emailsbre...@chromium.org, alanc...@chromium.org,
 mgi...@chromium.org, loub...@google.com

 Explainer
 https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/tabbed-mode-explainer.md

 Specificationhttps://wicg.github.io/manifest-incubations/#dfn-tabbed

 Summary

 Allow web app windows to have a tab strip. This adds a new display mode
 "tabbed" and a new manifest field to allow customizations to the tab strip.


 Blink componentBlink>AppManifest
 

 TAG reviewhttps://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/841

 TAG review statusIssues addressed

 Chromium Trial NameWebAppTabStrip

 Link to origin trial feedback summary
 https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/issues

 Origin Trial documentation link
 https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/tabbed-mode-explainer.md

 Risks


 Interoperability and Compatibility



 *Gecko*: Defer (
 https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/811)

 *WebKit*: No signal (
 https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/195)

 *Web developers*: Positive (https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/737)

 *Other signals*:

 WebView application risks

 Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing APIs, such
 that it has potentially high risk for Android WebView-based applications?

 N/A


 Debuggability

 chrome://web-app-internals can be used for debugging, and the new
 manifest field could also be added to the DevTools Application pane.


 Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows,
 Mac, Linux, ChromeOS, Android, and Android WebView)?No

 The origin trial is available on ChromeOS only. Support for other
 desktop platforms is planned.


 Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests
 
 ?Yes


 https://github.com/web-platform-tests/wpt/tree/master/appmanifest/display-override-member


 Flag name on chrome://flags
 chrome://flags/#enable-desktop-pwas-tab-strip

 Finch feature nameDesktopPWAsTabStrip

 Requires code in //chrome?True

 Tracking bughttps://issuetracker.google.com/issues/40598974

 Launch bughttps://launch.corp.google.com/launch/4253814

 MeasurementLaunch.WebAppDisplayMode: Tabbed

 Availability expectationFeature is available only on
 Chrome-on-ChromeOS for the foreseeable future.

>>>
>>> This seems a bit contradictory with "Support for other desktop platforms
>>> is planned" above. Are there plans for support beyond CrOS?
>>>

 
>>>
>>>
>> Sorry, the first part was a mistake. Chrome team has requested this not
>> be on other platforms now.
>>
>> Brett
>>
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Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Ship: Tabbed web apps

[Daniel Herr]

May I ask why? I've tried out the flagged implementation on Chrome OS, and 
I think it is a pretty nice UI paradigm. I don't see any technical reason 
it shouldn't be available on other platforms.

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 10:30:58 AM UTC-4 Brett Wilson wrote:

> On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 3:02 AM Yoav Weiss (@Shopify)  
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:28 PM Brett Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>> Contact emailsbre...@chromium.org, alanc...@chromium.org, 
>>> mgi...@chromium.org, loub...@google.com
>>>
>>> Explainer
>>> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/tabbed-mode-explainer.md
>>>
>>> Specificationhttps://wicg.github.io/manifest-incubations/#dfn-tabbed
>>>
>>> Summary
>>>
>>> Allow web app windows to have a tab strip. This adds a new display mode 
>>> "tabbed" and a new manifest field to allow customizations to the tab strip.
>>>
>>>
>>> Blink componentBlink>AppManifest 
>>> 
>>>
>>> TAG reviewhttps://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/841
>>>
>>> TAG review statusIssues addressed
>>>
>>> Chromium Trial NameWebAppTabStrip
>>>
>>> Link to origin trial feedback summary
>>> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/issues
>>>
>>> Origin Trial documentation link
>>> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/tabbed-mode-explainer.md
>>>
>>> Risks
>>>
>>>
>>> Interoperability and Compatibility
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gecko*: Defer (
>>> https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/811)
>>>
>>> *WebKit*: No signal (
>>> https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/195)
>>>
>>> *Web developers*: Positive (https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/737)
>>>
>>> *Other signals*:
>>>
>>> WebView application risks
>>>
>>> Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing APIs, such 
>>> that it has potentially high risk for Android WebView-based applications?
>>>
>>> N/A
>>>
>>>
>>> Debuggability
>>>
>>> chrome://web-app-internals can be used for debugging, and the new 
>>> manifest field could also be added to the DevTools Application pane.
>>>
>>>
>>> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows, Mac, 
>>> Linux, ChromeOS, Android, and Android WebView)?No
>>>
>>> The origin trial is available on ChromeOS only. Support for other 
>>> desktop platforms is planned.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests 
>>> 
>>> ?Yes
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/web-platform-tests/wpt/tree/master/appmanifest/display-override-member
>>>
>>>
>>> Flag name on chrome://flagschrome://flags/#enable-desktop-pwas-tab-strip
>>>
>>> Finch feature nameDesktopPWAsTabStrip
>>>
>>> Requires code in //chrome?True
>>>
>>> Tracking bughttps://issuetracker.google.com/issues/40598974
>>>
>>> Launch bughttps://launch.corp.google.com/launch/4253814
>>>
>>> MeasurementLaunch.WebAppDisplayMode: Tabbed
>>>
>>> Availability expectationFeature is available only on Chrome-on-ChromeOS 
>>> for the foreseeable future.
>>>
>>
>> This seems a bit contradictory with "Support for other desktop platforms 
>> is planned" above. Are there plans for support beyond CrOS?
>>
>>>
>>> 
>>
>>
> Sorry, the first part was a mistake. Chrome team has requested this not be 
> on other platforms now.
>
> Brett 
>

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Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Ship: Tabbed web apps

[Brett Wilson]

On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 3:02 AM Yoav Weiss (@Shopify) 
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:28 PM Brett Wilson  wrote:
>
>> Contact emailsbre...@chromium.org, alancut...@chromium.org,
>> mgi...@chromium.org, loubr...@google.com
>>
>> Explainer
>> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/tabbed-mode-explainer.md
>>
>> Specificationhttps://wicg.github.io/manifest-incubations/#dfn-tabbed
>>
>> Summary
>>
>> Allow web app windows to have a tab strip. This adds a new display mode
>> "tabbed" and a new manifest field to allow customizations to the tab strip.
>>
>>
>> Blink componentBlink>AppManifest
>> 
>>
>> TAG reviewhttps://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/841
>>
>> TAG review statusIssues addressed
>>
>> Chromium Trial NameWebAppTabStrip
>>
>> Link to origin trial feedback summary
>> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/issues
>>
>> Origin Trial documentation link
>> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/tabbed-mode-explainer.md
>>
>> Risks
>>
>>
>> Interoperability and Compatibility
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gecko*: Defer (https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/811
>> )
>>
>> *WebKit*: No signal (
>> https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/195)
>>
>> *Web developers*: Positive (https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/737)
>>
>> *Other signals*:
>>
>> WebView application risks
>>
>> Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing APIs, such that
>> it has potentially high risk for Android WebView-based applications?
>>
>> N/A
>>
>>
>> Debuggability
>>
>> chrome://web-app-internals can be used for debugging, and the new
>> manifest field could also be added to the DevTools Application pane.
>>
>>
>> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows, Mac,
>> Linux, ChromeOS, Android, and Android WebView)?No
>>
>> The origin trial is available on ChromeOS only. Support for other desktop
>> platforms is planned.
>>
>>
>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests
>> 
>> ?Yes
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/web-platform-tests/wpt/tree/master/appmanifest/display-override-member
>>
>>
>> Flag name on chrome://flagschrome://flags/#enable-desktop-pwas-tab-strip
>>
>> Finch feature nameDesktopPWAsTabStrip
>>
>> Requires code in //chrome?True
>>
>> Tracking bughttps://issuetracker.google.com/issues/40598974
>>
>> Launch bughttps://launch.corp.google.com/launch/4253814
>>
>> MeasurementLaunch.WebAppDisplayMode: Tabbed
>>
>> Availability expectationFeature is available only on Chrome-on-ChromeOS
>> for the foreseeable future.
>>
>
> This seems a bit contradictory with "Support for other desktop platforms
> is planned" above. Are there plans for support beyond CrOS?
>
>>
>> 
>
>
Sorry, the first part was a mistake. Chrome team has requested this not be
on other platforms now.

Brett

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Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Ship: Tabbed web apps

[Yoav Weiss (@Shopify)]

On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:28 PM Brett Wilson  wrote:

> Contact emailsbre...@chromium.org, alancut...@chromium.org,
> mgi...@chromium.org, loubr...@google.com
>
> Explainer
> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/tabbed-mode-explainer.md
>
> Specificationhttps://wicg.github.io/manifest-incubations/#dfn-tabbed
>
> Summary
>
> Allow web app windows to have a tab strip. This adds a new display mode
> "tabbed" and a new manifest field to allow customizations to the tab strip.
>
>
> Blink componentBlink>AppManifest
> 
>
> TAG reviewhttps://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/841
>
> TAG review statusIssues addressed
>
> Chromium Trial NameWebAppTabStrip
>
> Link to origin trial feedback summary
> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/issues
>
> Origin Trial documentation link
> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/tabbed-mode-explainer.md
>
> Risks
>
>
> Interoperability and Compatibility
>
>
>
> *Gecko*: Defer (https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/811)
>
> *WebKit*: No signal (
> https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/195)
>
> *Web developers*: Positive (https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/737)
>
> *Other signals*:
>
> WebView application risks
>
> Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing APIs, such that
> it has potentially high risk for Android WebView-based applications?
>
> N/A
>
>
> Debuggability
>
> chrome://web-app-internals can be used for debugging, and the new manifest
> field could also be added to the DevTools Application pane.
>
>
> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows, Mac,
> Linux, ChromeOS, Android, and Android WebView)?No
>
> The origin trial is available on ChromeOS only. Support for other desktop
> platforms is planned.
>
>
> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests
> 
> ?Yes
>
>
> https://github.com/web-platform-tests/wpt/tree/master/appmanifest/display-override-member
>
>
> Flag name on chrome://flagschrome://flags/#enable-desktop-pwas-tab-strip
>
> Finch feature nameDesktopPWAsTabStrip
>
> Requires code in //chrome?True
>
> Tracking bughttps://issuetracker.google.com/issues/40598974
>
> Launch bughttps://launch.corp.google.com/launch/4253814
>
> MeasurementLaunch.WebAppDisplayMode: Tabbed
>
> Availability expectationFeature is available only on Chrome-on-ChromeOS
> for the foreseeable future.
>

This seems a bit contradictory with "Support for other desktop platforms is
planned" above. Are there plans for support beyond CrOS?


>
>
> Adoption expectationFeature is used by specific partner(s) to provide
> functionality within 12 months of launch in Chrome. May be of interest to a
> handful of PWA authors primarily in the productivity space.
>
> Adoption planWorking with a small number of partners directly.
>
> Non-OSS dependencies
>
> Does the feature depend on any code or APIs outside the Chromium open
> source repository and its open-source dependencies to function?
> N/A
>
> Sample links
> https://paint-rightful-patch.glitch.me
>
> Estimated milestones
> Shipping on desktop 126
> Origin trial desktop first 118
> Origin trial desktop last 126
> Origin trial extension 1 end milestone 126
>
> Anticipated spec changes
>
> Open questions about a feature may be a source of future web compat or
> interop issues. Please list open issues (e.g. links to known github issues
> in the project for the feature specification) whose resolution may
> introduce web compat/interop risk (e.g., changing to naming or structure of
> the API in a non-backward-compatible way).
> Chromium implementation currently does not parse string-form URL patterns
> as required by the spec. Marked "at risk". (
> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/issues/97)
>
> Link to entry on the Chrome Platform Status
> https://chromestatus.com/feature/5128143454076928?gate=6176288199409664
>
> Links to previous Intent discussionsIntent to prototype:
> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/IvfIkjvQYuY/m/cixwOyEeAAAJ
>  Intent
> to Experiment:
> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/m16m2TEq-NM/m/0Bc10numCgAJ
> Intent to Extend Experiment 1:
> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/5aRDL-E9olQ/m/Pb7ECdcpAAAJ
> Intent to Ship:
> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/5aRDL-E9olQ/m/Pb7ECdcpAAAJ
>
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[blink-dev] Intent to Ship: Tabbed web apps

[Brett Wilson]

Contact emailsbre...@chromium.org, alancut...@chromium.org,
mgi...@chromium.org, loubr...@google.com

Explainer
https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/tabbed-mode-explainer.md

Specificationhttps://wicg.github.io/manifest-incubations/#dfn-tabbed

Summary

Allow web app windows to have a tab strip. This adds a new display mode
"tabbed" and a new manifest field to allow customizations to the tab strip.


Blink componentBlink>AppManifest


TAG reviewhttps://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/841

TAG review statusIssues addressed

Chromium Trial NameWebAppTabStrip

Link to origin trial feedback summary
https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/issues

Origin Trial documentation link
https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/tabbed-mode-explainer.md

Risks


Interoperability and Compatibility



*Gecko*: Defer (https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/811)

*WebKit*: No signal (
https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/195)

*Web developers*: Positive (https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/737)

*Other signals*:

WebView application risks

Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing APIs, such that
it has potentially high risk for Android WebView-based applications?

N/A


Debuggability

chrome://web-app-internals can be used for debugging, and the new manifest
field could also be added to the DevTools Application pane.


Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows, Mac,
Linux, ChromeOS, Android, and Android WebView)?No

The origin trial is available on ChromeOS only. Support for other desktop
platforms is planned.


Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests

?Yes

https://github.com/web-platform-tests/wpt/tree/master/appmanifest/display-override-member


Flag name on chrome://flagschrome://flags/#enable-desktop-pwas-tab-strip

Finch feature nameDesktopPWAsTabStrip

Requires code in //chrome?True

Tracking bughttps://issuetracker.google.com/issues/40598974

Launch bughttps://launch.corp.google.com/launch/4253814

MeasurementLaunch.WebAppDisplayMode: Tabbed

Availability expectationFeature is available only on Chrome-on-ChromeOS for
the foreseeable future.

Adoption expectationFeature is used by specific partner(s) to provide
functionality within 12 months of launch in Chrome. May be of interest to a
handful of PWA authors primarily in the productivity space.

Adoption planWorking with a small number of partners directly.

Non-OSS dependencies

Does the feature depend on any code or APIs outside the Chromium open
source repository and its open-source dependencies to function?
N/A

Sample links
https://paint-rightful-patch.glitch.me

Estimated milestones
Shipping on desktop 126
Origin trial desktop first 118
Origin trial desktop last 126
Origin trial extension 1 end milestone 126

Anticipated spec changes

Open questions about a feature may be a source of future web compat or
interop issues. Please list open issues (e.g. links to known github issues
in the project for the feature specification) whose resolution may
introduce web compat/interop risk (e.g., changing to naming or structure of
the API in a non-backward-compatible way).
Chromium implementation currently does not parse string-form URL patterns
as required by the spec. Marked "at risk". (
https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/issues/97)

Link to entry on the Chrome Platform Status
https://chromestatus.com/feature/5128143454076928?gate=6176288199409664

Links to previous Intent discussionsIntent to prototype:
https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/IvfIkjvQYuY/m/cixwOyEeAAAJ
Intent
to Experiment:
https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/m16m2TEq-NM/m/0Bc10numCgAJ
Intent to Extend Experiment 1:
https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/5aRDL-E9olQ/m/Pb7ECdcpAAAJ
Intent to Ship:
https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/5aRDL-E9olQ/m/Pb7ECdcpAAAJ


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